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Old November 17th 05, 03:47 PM posted to alt.crime,alt.politics.republicans,rec.radio.shortwave,us.military.army
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Default US admits use of white phosphorous against people in Iraq

jesus mu-shu dumplings wrote:
US admits use of white phosphorous in Iraq
http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/17/top13.htm

WASHINGTON, Nov 16: The Pentagon has admitted that
US troops used white phosphorus as a weapon against
insurgents in the Iraqi city of Fallujah last November.
"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy
combatants," military spokesman Lt-Col Barry Venable
told the BBC in Washington.

snip

White phosphorous, in a form used by the military, ignites when
it is exposed to oxygen, producing such heat that it bursts into a
yellow flame and produces a dense white smoke. It is used to
mark enemy targets and to produce smoke for concealing troop
movements. It can also be used as an incendiary device to
firebomb enemy positions. It continues to burn until deprived
of oxygen and, if extinguished with water, can later reignite
if the particles dry out and are exposed again to the air.


Not exactly. It can burn all the way through and out the other side.
No need to stop at the bone. Water will not extinguish it. It will
stop burning when it is deprived of oxygen or consumed.

White phosphorous can cause painful burn injuries to
exposed human flesh. If particles of ignited white phosphorus
land on a person's skin, they can continue to burn right
through flesh to the bone. Toxic phosphoric acid can
also be released into wounds, risking phosphorus poisoning.
Exposure to white phosphorus smoke in the air can also
cause liver, kidney, heart, lung or bone damage and even death.


Phosphorus isn't toxic enough to kill except in extremely large
quantities. This kind of poisioning will make you sick, little else.
The internal damage depicted here is unsupported by any information I
have seen.

A former US soldier who served in Iraq says breathing in
smoke close to a shell caused the throat and lungs to blister
until the victim suffocated, with the phosphorus continuing
to burn them from the inside.


He was discussing things he does not know about. False.

Despite initial denials, the Pentagon has now acknowledged on
Tuesday that US troops had used the substance as
an incendiary weapon against insurgent strongholds there.


The Pentagon has not denied the use of White Phosphorus.

The UN Convention bans the use of incendiary weapons against civilans,
not against humans.
See for yourself:
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/FULL/515?OpenDocument

Of course any deliberate engagement or targeting of civilians is
already a war crime. so that the US has not signed this one is not of
especial import except to say that we aren't bound by it expressly.

White Phosphorus is not banned.

It also isn't a chemical weapon.
We are signtory to the Chemical Weapons Convention which defines
chemical weapons. See he
http://www.opcw.org/html/db/cwc/eng/cwc_frameset.html

So it isn't a chemical weapon and it isn't banned.

Indiscriminate use is. The stories circulating do not support that
contention. See he
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004...q/19_30_504_10...


Bogert received the coordinates for the targets and recorded them on a
map. This is proper procedure. He's receiving coordinates from a
Forward Observer, indirect fire weapons never see their targets, the
FOs do. The coordinates are plotted so that it is known what was
ordered where. There is also a verification that takes place in the
call for indirect fire to avoid problems with numerical transposition
or other mistakes.