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November 21st 05, 03:33 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Nov 19, 6:34 pm
wrote:
From: on Thurs 17 Nov 2005 02:45
wrote:
From: on Nov 16, 2:20 am
Dave Heil wrote:

That's simply incorrect, Leonard. You insult anyone who favors
retention of morse testing in amateur radio.

Miccolis and Heil both PERCEIVE insults where there is only
strong, sharp responses to their overbearing self-images.

No, you write lots of insults, Len. Anybody who disagrees with
you here becomes the target of your personal attacks. In fact,
you're no longer satisfied with such insults on Usenet, and have
added ECFS as one of your venues.

This venue is a debate forum, not a gathering around the
bar at a local fraternal order.

Then go ahead and "debate", rather than calling names.

Please explain how retention of morse testing is regression in any form.
After all, morse code is used daily by thousands of radio amateurs.

Those radio amateurs - if operating legally - below 30 MHz
using radiotelegraphy have ALREADY passed a federal
telegraphy test. If they have already passed it, removal
of the code test regulation will not affect their operating
privileges.

However, the code test retention WILL affect all those
uncountable in the future who MAY want to get an amateur
radio license having below-30-MHz privileges.

Apply that logic to the written test, too.

They are
not invisible, only uncountable because there is no
accurate way to get their numbers.

So you have no idea how many there really are.

At best, the Commission
gets only a general impression of their numbers in the
filings on Docket 05-235. So far, those numbers of the
public against code testing are about even with those
for its retention.

55% for retention of some code testing, 45% for complete
removal - when you count those individuals who bothered
to file an opinion with FCC.

You continue to complain that others insult or denigrate you. You've
told Jim that he never had any "PRIDE" in his work.

Yes, I should be taken to task on that, considering that
Miccolis has NEVER TOLD ANYONE HERE *EXACTLY* WHAT HE DOES
AT HIS *UNNAMED* EMPLOYMENT PLACE.

Why does that matter, Len? What difference does my job make
to what you describe as "hobby radio"?

Your behavior here has demonstrated that it doesn't matter what
someone's job involves. If that person disagrees with you, their
employment is ridiculed and denigrated by you.

yielding
only vague generalities of what he does/did without giving
more specific descriptions.

See above. Only a fool would give you more information when
your previous behavior shows what you will do with that information.

Do you consider your behavior to be rude?

No.

Well, it is. Very rude.

It is strong and confrontational...which has been quite
normal in computer-modem networks since the original ARPANET
spread out into the world. These networks are not for the
faint of heart or the easily disturbed one-sided inflexible
ideological bigots who refuse to compromise.

That last phrase describes you pretty well, Len.

NPRM 05-143 is a direct affront to the perception of some in
what constitutes "ham radio" or "amateur radio."

Yeah, well, different strokes for different folks.

Some insist
that radiotelegraphy is "the heart and soul of ham radio,"
therefore a test for that skill must "always" be in the
regulations.

Opinions vary all over the place on that.

We readers will just put you down as either NOT WORKING or
at some place not associated with electronics at all.

We readers? You're now speaking for all other readers of this newsgroup?

Not at all. I read ALL postings in this public venue,
therefore reiterating that I am one of those readers.

Yet you use the plural.

You can't blame Jim for not wanting to talk shop with you. Look what
has happened to others who have revealed details of their work (and who
happen to favor retention of morse testing).

Miccolis has not revealed any details of what he does for
a living...other than he is a "professional" and is "proud
of his work."

Here we go again....

Miccolis has expressed a number of varying
opinions of alleged knowledge, even expertise in areas
where he has not claimed any experience (aerospace,
specifically on spacecraft; non-amateur communications
where he refused to give anything specific on where or what),
yet has been highly confrontational, even antagonistic to
those who HAVE had experience.

Well, Len, you've never been a radio amateur, and have no real
experience with radiotelegraphy, yet you are "highly confrontational,
even antagonistic to those who HAVE had experience."

More important, you find it necessary to attack me personally, rather
than deal with facts.

Miccolis has admitted that
he has NEVER served in any military postion, yet he chides
veterans who have served by claiming expertise in military
matters and military life.

Where have I claimed "expertise" in anything, Len? If you think
my postings are those of an expert, that's your opinion, not
anything I posted.

Hans Brakob, a proud morseman and USN veteran, a Master
Chief Petty Officer, has gone on the record as favoring
the elimination of the U.S. amateur radio code test. I
respect his military service and I think he respects mine.
My only "disagreement" with Hans is his penchant for
posting/forwarding so many stories/tales on USN life,
some of them of quite an emotional nature.

Why is that a problem for you? Is it becase Hans' stories,
and his storytelling, are better than yours?

While the
USN and the entire maritime world enthusiastically
boosted the use of early radio a century ago, there is
a sense of overkill in boosting morsemanship from an
emotional, visceral level a century later...especially
given the enormous improvements in all radio techniques
and technologies during that century.

Whoa! "there is a sense of overkill in boosting morsemanship
from an emotional, visceral level a century later."

What the heck is that supposed to mean - that Hans isn't even
supposed to like Morse Code?

Brian Burke is a USAF veteran and I do not discredit his
service nor insult his active-duty assignments.

Because he agrees with you.

You make up derogatory
names for those folks and you insult their jobs and military service.

I WILL endeavor to insult, demean, and generally despise
ANY military veteran FAKE that exists or shows up. That
is a PROMISE.

Also real ones who disagree with you. Like a USCG radio
operator whom you dissed in your classic "sphincters post".

I WILL endeavor to insult, demean, and generally despise
anyone who attempts the same sort of insults, denigrations,
and personal insults on ME. They get back what they hurl.

You'll also do the same to those who simply disagree with you,
or point out your mistakes. You consider disagreement with
your ideas or information to be a personal insult.