From: on Nov 27, 3:55 pm

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From: on Nov 26, 8:02 pm
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From: Dave Heil on Mon 21 Nov 2005 09:41
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From: Dave Heil on Nov 20, 9:25 am



Because if you did "RF transmission in amateur bands" without the proper
license, you could be breaking the law, Len. That would be a very bad thing.

Feel free to attempt a citizens' arrest any time... :-)


I get along with all sorts of people, Len. Including many who disagree with
me.

Not absolutely true... :-)

You're the one that has the problem getting along with others if they
don't agree with everything you say.

Tsk, with Jimmy it's always the other guy's fault... :-)



DIRECT from a maritime transceiver as a civilian.

Worldwide? I don't think so.

Depends on the ionosphere... :-)


DIRECT from a government radio transmitter.

Are you authorized to do so?

Yes. :-)


DIRECT as in laying on of hands,
moving controls, operating, all that stuff.

Neither of those are *your* equipment, licensed to *you*, are they?

No problem on whose radios those are..."direct operation" is just
doing as I said... :-)


The standards are a lot newer than "70 years old", Len.

Name some.

The morse code test has been in amateur radio regulations
for 71 years. :-)

As to why anyone would fuss with Morse Code in 2005, the
reasons are the same as why anyone would fuss with:

- cars that have manual transmissions instead of automatics

No problem to me...I learned to drive in a manual-transmission auto.
Didn't have to know morse code to drive...

- sailboats instead of power boats

Sailing under the wind takes much less fuel than power boats...and
it is nice to do. didn't have to know morse code to sail.

- Drawing and painting instead of photography

No problem to me...I did all three as a kid, still do. Didn't
have to know morse code to do any of those three.

- Performing music instead of playing recordings

Tsk, how do you think recordings got to BE recordings? :-)

No morse code knowledge required in music.

- Bicycles, running and walking for transport instead of motor vehicles

No problem to me. Last California DMV retest (and every one
before that) didn't require any morse code skill.

- Stairs instead of elevators

How do you categorize escalators? :-)

No morse code knowledge required for stairs, escalators, or
elevators.

- Homemade food instead of packaged

How do you categorize campfire cooking? :-)

Cooking doesn't require morse code knowledge.



Because I know something of those times and the creation of the
Extra class license.

Ah, but you weren't THERE in all those times... :-)


YOU have talked much about Reggie Fessenden and his carbon-mike-in-
the-antenna "AM voice transmission" of 1906 and (allegedly) 1900.

That's right. Was any of my information incorrect?

Weren't you reading from your own lab notes when you described
all that happening 99 to 105 years ago? :-)

Show me ANY evidence that ANY AM transmitter since 1906 has
used amplitude modulation via a carbon microphone in series
with the antenna lead... :-)


I was there then, did it, came back. Never used
any morse code then on three dozen transmitters, never had to.

Because you were a transmitter technician, not a radio operator.

That's not what the U.S. Army said. :-)

Wasn't a single morse code "operating" facility in that whole
large station, Jimmy.


It's odd that you take pride in what you did *not* do...

You betcha...I took pride in NOT breaking any regulations or
Articles in the UCMJ. :-)


It sure does seem that you talk about things that happened long
before you were born, but get mad when others talk about things
that happened long before *they* were born. As if it's OK for
you to do but not others.

Tsk, I was 20 years old in 1953, Jimmy. Already been born
two decades prior. :-)


"Radio" is a subset of electrical engineering.

Incorrect. It is a part of electronics, a technology discipline.

Nope. It's a separate subset. Electronics does not include things
like antennas. Radio does.

Are "antennas" a whole separate field of physics? :-)


"Electronics" is a subset of electrical engineering.

INCORRECT.

What parts of electronics are not covered by electrical engineering,
Len?

Tsk, tsk, trying to get around your gaffe by bringing in
"engineering?" :-)


Electronics is one TECHNOLOGY DISCIPLINE of physics.

No, it isn't.

Physics is a science. Electrical engineering is a form of engineering,
and electronics is a subset of that.

Sigh...you still haven't gotten the correct definitions... :-(


Your mistakes (like the ones Hans pointed out
about DD-214s) are embarrassing.

You are confused. I made NO mistake about DD-214s. I have one.
You don't have one, can never have one...



Radio and electronics have some things in common, but they are not
identical, and one is not a subset of the other.

Amateur radio definitions seldom jibe with the rest of the
world of electronics...and radio. :-)

Yours don't jive with anything - like your spelling.

The word "jibe" (with a B, not a V) is perfectly correct in my
context. Look it up. :-)


NPRM 05-143 is singularly about the telegraphy test. [that's
what this "english teacher" of the thread title was commenting
on] That NPRM has NOTHING to do with radiotelephony, radiodata,
teletypewriter over radio, slow or fast-scan television,
facsimile over radio. The amateur radio license tests have
NO test elements for physically OPERATING any radio, are not
required to have radio equipment AT a license exam site.

So? Why is that significant?

Why do you consider yourself so "significant?" :-)

It's not about me, Len.

Tsk, everything you post in here is about YOU. :-)


The sole manual test for anything at any amateur license exam
is about telegraphy, telegraphy as used on amateur radio (there
is NO landline telegraphy tested), more technically,
radiotelegraphy. As it is NOW, that is.

And that's a good thing.

It is a "good thing" only to those that took that test and
passed it, thus fulfilling the "proper jump through hoops"
of "tradition." :-)

Incorrect. There were comments to the FCC by people who had
not passed the Morse Code test which said it was a good thing
and should be retained.

Sorry, Jimmy, they were outnumbered by those who wanted the TEST
gone. :-)

If you actually read all of the comments, you'd know that.

Each and every filing from 15 July 2005 to 23 November 2005.
3,795 of them. :-)


When you make a sweeping general statement, and someone
proves an exception, the statement is shown to be false. That's
basic logic.

No, Jimmy, all that proves is EXCEPTIONS. :-)

There's NO "logic" in your exceptions statements, only spite...


YOU are NOT in the FCC.

Neither are you, Len.

YOU are NOT in the FCC. Never were. It doesn't look like you
will ever be in the FCC...



Tsk, your definition of "polite" seems to be everyone agreeing
with you and giving your gratuitous praise for whatever you do.

Nope. That's *your* definition.

Tsk, another morseman with the "mirror syndrome" displayed.

Whatever will your friends and neighbors think? :-)


FCC does not consider
*you* to be qualified to operate an amateur radio station, though.

Wrong on two accounts. First of all, I already got a Commercial
Radiotelephone license 49 years ago so the FCC "qualified" me
(legally) to do so. Secondly, I've never tested for any amateur
radio license so the FCC cannot say I am either "qualified" or
"unqualified." Third, by law, to operate ON THE FREQUENCIES
allocated only to radio amateurs requires an amateur radio
license, neither "qualification" or "unqualification" but just
a condition of the regulations.


limited. NOT "all sorts of equipment" either since there are
exceptions stated in Part 97. Look those up.

Don't have to look them up, I know them.

Try a dictionary...look up "jibe." :-)



It's understandable that you'd not understand a superior intellect, Len

When one shows up, I'll be sure NOT to understand them.


OTOH I understand you all too well. That's why you're so hostile to me.

"Hostile?" What you mean "hostile," white man?

Po' bebbe, y'all been trin' ta shoot down all them NCTAs fer
years and ya dint do it. Tsk, tsk. All dat HOSTILE in-tent
of yourn.


You have taken a Poll to confirm this? :-)

Yes ;-)

Prove that.



Len, you're and NCI BELIEVER. You're so biased that you cannot
conduct enough to see what really happens.

Oh, my, you are doing the word-twisting thing today!

I was against the code test long before Bruce Perens put NCI
together. Pay attention.

I don't speak FOR NCI but you are going to try to MISDIRECT
the thread flow to make that a cause celebre'. Not buying
that.


Who the fork are you to presume *I* MUST demonstrate to YOU
some kind of committment and dedication?!?!?

Who do I have to be?

A normal, logical person instead of the behavior you display here.



Try to think about marriage for YOU, Jimmy. It would make you
less of a one-track Believer.

Len, for all you know, I could have more marriage experience than
you have.

Judging by all the time you spend in here...I'd say you have NO
"experience" right now. :-) Or you don't really work for a
living (thereby getting more free time to surf the newsgroup).

You are already in the Dudly the Imposter category, saying so
many things yet not proving them.


Yes, Len, your control-freak ego sure does go off at times.
Telling everyone How It Should Be.

Tsk, more mirror gazing on your part, Jimmy.

All I'm doing - in between replying to some of the PCTA heckling -
is trying to get rid of the code test.

You've already taken that test, will never have to test for it
again unless you miss the last renewal date and expire that
license.

YOU are telling ALL NEWCOMERS to test for morse code. You've been
doing that for years. Why are you so hostile to newcomers?



Afraid you'll be proven wrong?

Tsk, there you go again with nasty attitude.

IOW, yes, you're afraid.

You are nuts.


Have been for a very long time...ever since getting my
"first job in radio."

So you're old. Big deal. You want a merit badge?

At the end of my "first job in radio" I got a DD-214. You don't
have one. You will never have one of your own. You are too old.


WHAT are YOU going to tell ME?

That Morse Code is alive and well in the amateur bands.

Wonderful for you, then. You will always have a morseman to play
with.



Is contesting "operation" your main interest in amateur radio?

One of my main interests in amateur radio. I have several. You don't
seem to have any.

"It must drive you nuts not knowing" what my interests are... :-)


Considering your near-complete ignorance of Morse Code and
amateur radio, it's a good thing you didn't talk about those
subjects.

"Near-complete ignorance?!?"

insert three lines of Dudly cackling in here


Sunday is another nice
get-together with good people, and I don't expect any of the
talk will be about amateur radio or morse code or contests or
the beeping state of the radio art.

That's good, considering that you're hardly a good role model.

"Hardly a good role model?!?"

Tsk, tsk, that is HOSTILITY, Jimmy. Why are you so hostile?


No "contests" of any real kind. Sunnuvagun!

Can't take the competition, huh?

Try to understand that normal social behavior is NOT about
"competition." Normal, that is, not some HOSTILE type who
always has to sound more important than the group...such
behavior exemplified by the PCTA.


This past weekend I hosted Thanksgiving for 12 people ?
friends and family.

What has that to do with amateur radio?

I cooked a 21 pound turkey with homemade
stuffing, made homemade bread, did it up right. Others did the
vegetables and desserts.

Do you want a BSA cooking merit badge for that?

Can you cook, Len?

Of course I can...do you need lessons?