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December 12th 05, 11:34 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

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From: on Dec 11, 8:08 pm

wrote:
K؈B wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote

That's what will be the real problem. As so many have pointed out, there is
no organization to which the majority of hams belongs, at least inthis
country. While the ARRL is the largest, the majority of the ham population
does NOT belong to it and will likely scream bloody murder if theywere to get
to establish the band plan.

That's what makes the IARU an attractive vehicle. While no individual pays
memberships dues in IARU, all hams are defacto members of IARU because each
country has a representative who represents ALL hams in their jurisdiction
independent of whether they are members of the national "club" like ARRL, RAC,
RSGB, DARC, JARL, or whatever.

But there's a big problem there....see below

You always know better than everyone else. See below.

Tsk, we've seen it many, many times... :-(

So much so that it's predictable. ;^)

IARU is not a government agency. It is us, the hams of the world, totally
independent of national governments and independent of international
organizations like ITU or CEPT. Who better than the hams to decide how
ham frequencies should be used? Are we so conditioned to "big government"
dependency that (within our allocations) we need disinvolved government
bureaucrats to make decisions that much more logically belong to theactual
affected users?

But do the actual users get a real voice? Do I get to vote on the bandplan for
bands I use? Do I even get to elect the representative who does?

Didn't Carl attend the last ITU meeting? Didn't the ARRL attend?
Didn't the FCC attend?

How much representation do you need, Jim?

Himself in the Chairman's chair?

Maybe they should send FISTS to the meeting.

Or will the bandplans be decided upon by folks whom are even less beholden to
"the users" than the FCC?

Benevolent King Jim will rule intelligently and fairly.

To the extent that the band plan would not be dynamic on a minute-to-minute
schedule, you are correct. But it certainly be more dynamic and responsive that
the current generation-to-generation schedule of ?97.305.

A group would have to meet and reallocate as needed.

In the 1930's that certainly would have been an impediment. But 75 years later
in 2005, give me a list of 100 IARU representatives and within the next hour I
can establish a secure and private "meeting room" on the internet where they can
hold their allocation meetings, hammer out their agreements, and publish the
bandplan on a global basis before halftime of Monday Night Football.

And here's the problem:

Let me sit down and pour a stiff drink.

...and I slip a note to Hans suggesting he change the "hour" to "24
hours" to accommodate the international time zones of the IARU...

There are three ITU regions, so the clock divided by three leaves each
region with an 8 hour window of opportunity, though it may take Hans
only one hour to setup the conf. call.

Suppose for a moment the IARU scheme is done by regionfor HF - after all,
that's how the allocations work. So IARU reps from all the Region 2 countries
decide how the Region 2 HF bandplan works.

Does each member country get one vote? If so, that puts the USA, with its
661,000+ amateurs, at the same voting level as a country with a few dozen
amateurs. A coalition of small countries with a handful of amateurs could
dictate the bandplan for whole region.

Oh, my. I hope that the US hams have treated "thier" neighbor hams
kindly.

If King Jim has so decreed, they have. Meanwhile there's a large
crowd who've just dropped the drawbridge and are storming the
castle. King Jim may have to abdicate to a simple white "throne."

Certainly he can "serve" in his own Kingdom?

If not, the USA's enormous amateur population makes us the
de-facto 800 pound gorilla in the region.

Can't we all just get along?

King Kong made it to the top of the Empire State building, then
had a big fall. You might say Kong "went ape" when he couldn't
get what he wanted.

I thought he wanted the pretty girl?

Helluva big disposal problem for NYC. The same for the fantasies
of all those morsemen who want their private little playground
at the expense of others. Well, those guys are biodegradeable
also...

No sharing of spectrum?

In either case, the IARU member society for the USA is...the ARRL.

Which is why it's so important to keep movers and shakers like Carl out
of the organization's management.

God rest ye, league gentlemen, let nothing you dismay...

I suspect that Carl will "serve in other ways."

;^))

Do you think everyone will be glad the ARRL is the USA's representative
for determining bandplans?

It would be better if the IARU declared a plan rather than go with the
ARRL's recent bandplan scheme.

ARRL still doesn't "represent" any more than one in five U.S.
amateur radio licensees. They barely made one in four a while
back. They've been nothing but a MINORITY representative
organization all along. ARRL has NEVER "represented" those who
might want to join amateur radio through licensing...they just
dictate to everyone what newcomers must think and do.

They're so proud of Dee.

If the ARRL *truly* wanted to "represent" all U.S. radio amateurs,
they should quit going around with their familiar arrogant
posturing of "we know what is best for the rest of you."

FCC of the futu "Here are your allocated bands, use all
allocated modes anywhere. No bandplans. Enjoy your options.
Try not to mess up comms of others and follow the technical
requirements."

That's really all that's needed for a HOBBY. Those who need
control, control, and compex fastidious little sub-band planning
should go to Dr. Phil or join a federal comms agency.

Since I've been told the FAA grants amateur radio licenses, not
the FCC, I may have to start writing the FAA. :-)

Suprised they don't farm it out to the FFA.