On 26 Oct 2005 19:55:51 -0700, "K4YZ" wrote:


nobodys_old_friend wrote:
K4YZ wrote:

cut

Well...that makes it hard to figure out the attributes...But it
DOES make it easy for Markie to claim "I didn't say that..."

nope it cuts down on the **** being posted


YOUR words have cemented THIS into the archives, Frankie!

You lied. You stole from the government which is to say you stole
from me. You swore an oath that you had no intention of keeping.

now you are really crossing into new territory

Nope.

guess you are right you been in the lying range so long

I've been lying on the couch today, but that's all the "lying"
I've done today.

no you just racked up another lie


you have no way of making that statement

Sure I do.

That lying SOB swore an oath to support and defend the
Constitution, wherein he ALSO swore to obey those appointed senior to
him.

One no reason but your word to say is lying SoB but his first duty is
the constitution entitirely possible to feel a conflict in which case
he is bound to disobey (rather like some solders at Abu Graib should
have done but that is another topic)

One, No, it's not "another topic".

abu graib is another topic than frank and so

The soldiers at Abu Gharib shold have REPORTED THE INFRACTIONS via
the chain of command.

no they should have refused to prefrom them and then informed the
chain of comand

the "orders" were unlawfull and they should have had the gut to refuse
them

even were he tried and found
guilty (it being found that the orders were not illegal) thais does not
prove he was lying or in any way violated his oath or stole his
rightfull pay

Markie...He WAS tried and found guilty!

Twice! Indicted, tried and CONVICTED!

your source?

oh that is right you don't need sources

people are never aquitted of any charges and even if they are they
were still guilty riight Stevie


you have presented nothing that allows you to state

Almost right, Markie!

I didn't "present" it...FRANKIE did! He's the one who made
the "####bird PFC" comment which, on "cross examination" led to the
discovery that he's twice convicted for violations of the Uniform Code
of Military Justice.

not according to the body of his posts


Mind you that the Marines would much rather send a "junior
trooper" to Office Hours, whichn in the Marine Corps are Article 15
proceedings. In other words, letting the commander of the unit handle
the incident at the lowest echelon.

Something I would only advise a soldier to try if they are guilty of
something but likely he reufsed Art 15 as I did many times


Courts maritals are reserved for the real idiots or the specially
grevious charges.

not always but then you were so busy ducking you would not know


Since it's apparent that Frankie didn't spend any time in
Leavenworth, we can safely put him in the "real idiot" category.

no we can't


His conduct in this forum corroborates that.

by no bwoing to you that is proof of his good sense


He freely brags about having disobeyed orders and subsequently was
court martialed...Not once, but TWICE, for his conduct.

so what?

BTW your facts don't seem to be true

Then if they were not true, they'd not be facts.

well they are n't facts then


he has admited to making a mistake (haven't seen him says it was
violating orders) and taking a lumps and once to being tried and found
not guilty

He WAS found guilty.

not according to him
not after apeal was it but that does not count with you


No one, save for you, is projecting anything.

One of the reasons the 5.56mm round was chosen...(SNIP)

...was the same reason other rounds are chosen...To kill the
enemy.

If that's what is required to accomplish the mission.

If it's not, why are the only targets used to train Marine
riflemen (and all recruits) head shots and "center mast", or chest
shots?

PLEASE, Frankie...Show me SOME reference to targets and USMC
training resources that say "...just shoot for the arms or legs".

making up claims for frank again

Nope.

Frank suggests that it's NOT a Marine's job to kill his enemy.

Can't speak for the USMC but the Army teaches it people that it is
better to wound the enemy in most cases ties at least 4 people that way

You can't speak for the Army, either, Markie.

not on an officail cap of course but I will never forget basic
training

I suspect the USMC theaching much the same thing

"teaching"

Naw...We were basically told that the phrase dusbiously attributed
to General George S Patton, that it was a soldiers duty not to die for
hiscountry, but to make the other SOB die for his.

gee I thought the marines were smarter than Patton


USMC attitudes on this are that if you let those four guys carry
that fifth guy off the battlefield, there will be five guys to worry
about later. Better to kill them all now than to ahve to face them a
second time.

So, better you quit trying to figure out who you're "speaking for",
Markie.

shove it stevie


Follow the thread back and read for yourself, Markie.

Just one...?!?!

And STILL does not change the Marine Corps' practice of teaching
"one shot one kill" to recruits.

Except that such a policy ISN'T taught to Marine recruits. It's taught
in sniper school, but not in boot camp.

Sure it is.

Perhaps if you'd paid a bit more attention in Boot you wouldn't
have had such a hard time later on in your "career"...

Maybe if you had -attended- boot camp then you would have had a -real-
military career instead of a fabrication in your mind made up with
bits and pieces from bad novels and war movies.

Frank, you're a documented liar already.

where?

Where he swore to uphold his oath,

no such documentaion

Sure there is!

He provided a partial copy of his DD214 here. In order to have
gotten a DD214, he had to have been sworn in in the first place.

not the issue
but you don't understand that


and his frequent assertions
that I did not serve in the United States Marine Corps, among others.

he has expressed his opinion you did not serve holding that opinion
even if it may be contary to fact is not a lie

Sure it's a lie.

nope it is an opinion Frank holds and stets that he doesn't believe
you sered

that is no lie
cuting the rant

if it were you would been guilty of lying when you say I have not
served in the Army, in those cases you are simply mistaken

I am not "mistaken".

yes you are

Oh I am sorry oposing you is proof that you are lying I forgot

Nope...You asked, I told you.

another lie

no proof was offered

Sure it was.

where?


Frankie's own words.

Or are you now calling him a liar too?

no I am saying you are distorting his words

IOW you are lying about what he said


And Frankie's only reason to be in this forum were to try and
"undermine" my USMC service claims on your behalf.

I doubt that I think Frank was acting on his own

I KNOW he's not acting on his own, Markie! But thanks for agreeing
with me!

another lie Stevie I said exactly the oppositie but then you realy
can't read we knew that


I believe you served just that you served very badly indeed

Uh huh...That's why I don't have a single disciplinary action in
my SRB and four stars on my GCM.

no that isn't why has nothing to do with it


Why continue the charade?

YOU have NO BUSINESS critiquing ANYone's military service, let
alone mine.

he isn't sure there is anything to critique

He's an idiot.

of course he is he dares to oppose you,when are you going to publish
that dictionary of words as you use them

It's already published.

where?


It's called "Websters".

nope it isn't


You should get one.

You two have a lot in common.

I doubt we have much in common

Sure you do!

One we both oppose you here

two we both have lived our lives

I supect that is about it

And you're both liars and cheats.

nope I am not a cheat we both lie as does everyone else of course


off hand I think he is mistaken on that count I think you had one. one
of keeping your head down covering your ass (big job there I guess)
and avoiding anything that might lead a big decision

And therein YOU'D be wrong again.

maybe I would but I don't think so

No...you don't THINK, Markie...

yes I do

another lie from stevie


But then it's a habit for you.

It's incomprehensible to think that you never fired one after 18 years
in the Corp (and, of course, seven hostile actions). "And in that we
have even MORE evidence that your claims of military service are
BOGUS!"

It's "CORPS", non-hacker, since you're pointing out typos
yourself...And ESPECIALLY since you're doing so to try and make some
argument that I didn't serve in that CORPS.

I'm pointing out your typos to further demonstrate the fact that you
are a hypocrite. Feel free to point out -my- typos to your heart's
content -- it doesn't bother me at all because, unlike you, I don't
profess to be the newsgroup spelling cop.

Hey! We have ONE thing in common! I don't "profess" to be the
newsgroup spelling cop either!

you are right

you are just not honest enough to fess up to what you do

after all nothing is your fault

I do my best to make sure I have my bets covered, Markie. That's
just a prudent thing to do.

no you don't do that either

Sure I do.

you cheat on your bets


Frankie claimed I "profess" to be the "newsgroup spelling cop".
That was a lie. I've never done it.

I agree he was in error

You are the cp just not hoest enough to admit it

The "cp"...?!?!

"hoest"...?!?!

more evasion


cut

Censorship.

another lie


You? You "profess" to have been a Marine, but even by your own
admission were a ####bird of one, unable to keep your act together for
just ONE enlistment...let alone four.

indeed here you explain a lot about yourself

Nope. I have a Marine Corps Good Conduct Medal with four bronze
stars on it (Not THE "Bonze Star"...the small attachments that signify
a multiple issue of the same award)

so what?

means you kept you know out anything for years I am not impressed

It means I did my job. And I did it well.

no it does not it means you stayed out of trouble


accusastion is the same as guilt which has become your SOP here in
RRAP and likely in real life

The "guilt" is Frankie's and is from HIS admissions, Markie.

no it isn't it comes from your distortion of his words

What's to distort?

plenty when you compare your account of his words to his words


He called HIMSELF a "####bird PFC" and admitted to his two courts
martials.

There was nothing there for me to distort if I wanted to!

he said a lot more than that you just left it out


and tthat is hardly guilt

"that"

Probably for the same reason that you can't admit that you never
graduated from MCRD.

Platoon 2100, 03 Sept 74 to 20 Nov 74, Frankie...Just like I've
said before.

Oh, that's right.... and ending with your "medical retirement" in '92.
Sure thing, Dudly.

And yet another example of The Coward of Silliland trying to blow
off facts.

The base library at MCRD keeps a copy of every platoon's
"yearbook". Theya re available in other forums.

Look it up or acknowledge that you're the punk I claim you to be.

again you want others to your work

Try that in English.

calling you lazy again ahven't you seen that statement for enough to
reconize it

"haven't" "recognize"

Haven't YOU had your nose rubbed in your own laziness and childish
spelling errors to fix them?

obviously not

and you are dumb enough to ask


Again...I was asked for specifics...I gave them.

you gave no proof at all


is this what you did in the service always tell other to do your work?

What "work"...???

any work

WHAT are you talking about, Markie?

you are not bright enough to know?



He claims I didn't do something. I provided verifiable references.

you asked him to do your homework

No, I didn't.

sure did
you told him to go find the proof

you lie so freely


Frankie claims I didn't seerve in the Marines. I've given him
units, dates of boot camp including units and locations, and even my
promotion boards dates and precedent numbers.

and told him to go check it out

to do your work in other words


He claims to have "contacts".

Obviously he doesn't.

That substantiates my claim of LIAR.

nope

You freely drop names like LtCol Oliver North as if you were old
drinking buddies, yet can't seem to find simple information from
archives you also claim to have access to...

What's up with that?

Frank, let's face it...

You're just a punk. You were a punk in the service, you're a punk
now. And with your present attitude, I am sure you'll die a punk.

Awww, you hurt my feelings, Dudly.... sniff

What feelings?

Feelings are characteristic of human beings.

ah yes noone you dislike is even human

You and Frankie are high on that list, however you have a track
record that substantiates my claims.

indeed as close to admision as we ever see from Stevie the weasel

"admission"

There's TWO weasels here, Markie...You and Frankie of Silliland.

neither

you refuse to turthfully answer any question put to you

you demand that everyone do your work for you


borong Stevie and showing you off in the bad light we RRAP'ers have
come to expect for you

"Boring"

No...Only you, Brian, and Lennie.

which is about half of the regulars Stevie more than a thrid prehaps
less than half

"third" "perhaps"

Nope. You, Lennie and Brain. Then myself,

Cmdr Corey,
doesn't count he is not a person

Dee
counts
, Mike
Coslo,
outa here accrding to him
"Ace WH2T",
you even put him in qutes as less than real
Alun N3KIP,
not a reg

Dan W4NTI

dan is outa here
, Kim W5TIT,
not a reg

Dave K8MN,
he counts
Jim
AA2AQ
not a reg
, John K KC2HMZ,
not a reg
Bert WA2SI.
not a reg
If we go into the Wiseman crowd, we
pull in about another five or six "regulars".
they don't count no names
3 outa 6 is half the regualrs plus Frank who you treat as a regular

BUZZZ you are wrong again

Unless, of course, you have yet another "definition" for the term
"regulars".

Frankie's not even a regular
here...Just a lurker with a competency and confidence deficit.

but you treat him like one

You're darn right I treat him like he's a lurker with a competency
and confidence deficit!

so he counts


Back under your rock, non-hacker. It's where you belong.

Steve, K4YZ

I'd rather be a punk under a rock than a fantasy-prone hypocrite.
Maybe someday you will set aside your delusions long enough to
understand what 'integrity' means..... but I doubt it.

Frankie, you're a liar, a coward, a cheat, and in my NOT so humble
opinion, a thief. Being lectured by a punk like you about "integrity"
is obscene.

you got something right you are not humble but then NO ONE has accused
you of that here, and likely nowhere else either

I didn't say anything about MY "humbleness", Markie...

another lie "in my NOT so humble" that is part of the statement above
on your humbleness or rather the lack of it

And AGAIN you've screwed up the English, Markie...

not at all

you did post about your humbleness

you lied again


But there you go showing off that English comprehension problem of
yours again....

no you show you don't evn bother to understand your own posts

Sheeesh.

I'll give you ONE thing, Markie...

Just when I think it's NOT possible for you to make a bigger idiot
out of yourself, you go and prove me wrong.

Steve, K4YZ

everyone should be advised that The following person
has been advocating the abuse of elders making false charges of child rape, rape in general forges post and name

he may also be making flase reports of abusing other in order to attak and cow his foes
he also shows signs of being dangerously unstable

STEVEN J ROBESON
151 12TH AVE NW
WINCHESTER TN 37398
931-967-6282


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