Gene Fuller wrote:
Your response shows you don't understand, or more likely, you are faking
a non-understanding. Charge storage is virtually equivalent to voltage.
Are you suggesting that there is no RMS voltage in these configurations?

Gene, everyone knows that an inductor stores energy during part
of a cycle and gives up that same energy, minus losses, during
the other part of the cycle. That knowledge is irrelevant to
the present discussion. Your attempt at a diversion is more than
transparent. Why don't you discuss the real issues?

I don't believe
there is another person participating in this thread who is claiming one
model trumps the other, except you.

I suspect those people know when the lumped circuit model fails.
Your own posting about standing wave current phase proved that
W7EL's phase measurements were meaningless. Here's what you said:

Regarding the func(kx)*func(wt) standing wave current term:

Gene Fuller, W4SZ wrote:
In a standing wave antenna problem, such as the one you describe, there is no
remaining phase information. Any specific phase characteristics of the traveling
waves died out when the startup transients died out.

Phase is gone. Kaput. Vanished. Cannot be recovered. Never to be seen again.

The only "phase" remaining is the cos (kz) term, which is really an amplitude
description, not a phase. The so-called "phase reversal" in longer antennas is
not really about phase either. It is merely a representation of the periodic
sign reversal seen in a cosine function.

That is technical fact. Thanks for stating it.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp