Gene Fuller wrote:
I thought we already agreed that there is no phase shift in the real
environment, namely, a nearly pure standing wave environment.

You are not arguing in good faith.

We agreed that standing wave current with its unchanging phase
cannot be used to measure the phase shift through a coil. The
fact that there is no phase shift from end to end in a 1/2WL
thin-wire dipole proves that using the standing wave phase
to measure a phase shift is meaningless. You said the same
thing in the following statement. Do you want to retract what
you said?

Regarding the cos(kz)*cos(wt) term in a standing wave:

Gene Fuller, W4SZ wrote:
In a standing wave antenna problem, such as the one you describe,
there is no remaining phase information. Any specific phase
characteristics of the traveling waves died out when the startup
transients died out.

Phase is gone. Kaput. Vanished. Cannot be recovered. Never to be
seen again.

You were
the one who brought up all the special cases in an attempt to prove your
point.

No, I'm using your posting to prove that standing wave current phase
is meaningless. There's no special case. Standing wave current phase
is *always* meaningless.

Please install your coils in an 8 foot 75m antenna and get back to
us on the results.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp