Tom Ring wrote:

Roy, I will make you a bet. Lunch, if you might be at Central States
this year.

Are you kidding? With odds about the same as winning the lottery?

Not Gonna Happen.

They are not interested in reality. They are not interested in
engineering. They do not want to understand physics, or they are not
capable. It matters not.

I have been watching, and reading, and would like to see you, and the
others, stop beating a very dead horse. Cecil and Yuri will never get it.

Oh, I know all that.

I'm not posting in an attempt to educate Cecil and Yuri or to change
their minds -- it became evident years ago that's a waste of time. The
only reason I bother is in the hopes that it'll play some part in
preventing some of the lurkers from getting sucked in by the flurry of
informed-sounding but demonstrably wrong arguments which continue to
come from those folks. It's hard to say if it's having any effect, but I
think it's important to present a point of view supported by established
theory, modeling, and measurement results which are all in agreement
rather than letting the pseudo-science stand alone as apparent fact.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL