From: on Sun, Sep 3 2006 1:49 pm

[Mother Superior strides out of the cloister, knuckle-spank
ruler carried like a baton, the Book of Common Maxims
under her arm...]

wrote:
From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am

the CW has seen the light that being they betrayed the ARS by listening
to the ARRL what 50 years ago

I don't think the ARRL "betrayed the ARS". I believe that they
sincerely thought that morsemanship was THEN a topmost skill
of US radio amtaeurs.

The FCC thought so too - well into the 1970s.

Pure and simple bull****, Mother. Prior to the
1990s the FCC was pressured constantly by just one
amateur organization - the ARRL. Since amateur radio
has NOT been a priority item on the FCC's tasks, the
FCC just let the ARRL have what the ARRL wanted.
After all, the ARRL claimed it "spoke for the
amateur" even though their membership was a minority
of never more than a quarter of all licensees.

Fifty years ago would be 1956 and not
long after the passing of ARRL co-founder (and president-for-
life) Hiram Percy Maxim.

Maxim died in 1936. 1956 was twenty years later.

Twenty years is a "long time" to you? Poor baby.

Is this more Ruler-Spank, Mother?

"T.O.M." used his editorial pages
to promote morsemanship in the 1920s and 1930s.

He also promoted many other things on those pages, such as technical
progress, operating skills, public service, and the observance of
government regulations.

Was he a Saint to you, Mother Superior?

The original core group of the ARRL were go-getters and smart
enough to realize that, to make enough money as an organization
that came out on top, PUBLICATIONS were the key to survival.

Publications were one way to support the organization.

The ONLY way to support so many services that non-
members could do themselves. Three years ago the reported
profit of the ARRL to the IRS was 12 MILLION dollars. That
kind of cash inflow does NOT come solely from membership.


ARRL was first a very small group of local New Englanders,
formed 5 years after the first (and still surviving) national
organization, the Radio Club of America.

But it didn't stay that way for long. By the time of the 1917 shutdown
- just three years after ARRL was founded - it was a national
organization.

You are in error, Mother, but further argument on that is
useless. The League is your shepherd, you shall not want.

There were lots of
"national club" competitors in the 1920s but those eventually
dropped out.

Name some.

Go read Thomas H. White's online Radio History from the
beginning to about 1927. White is a much better historian
than yourself.

RCA still exists but is not much concerned with
amateur radio.

It is a very small organization whose main activities seem to be
honorary and historical.

In other words, you aren't a member!

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prior to the Internet going public in 1991, the only major
presence for US amateur radio in DC was the legal firm on
retainer from the ARRL.

There was nothing to stop others from doing the same thing. Nor from
contacting FCC directly.

Do YOU have a legal firm on retainer, Mother? Or do you
have a dental retainer, hoping to "take a bite" out of
your perceived anti-morse "crime?"

ARRL kept promoting themselves as
"representative" allegedly for the amateur to the FCC but
suspiciously more like a "filter" of amateurs' opinions.

Why are you suspicious, Len?

ARRL is NOT a government body. They are a private
organization accountable to no one but themselves,
yet they ACT like they are some exhaulted "representative"
of ALL radio amateurs. [ARRL membership hasn't gotten
more than a quarter of all amateur radio licensees in
a long time...if ever]

ARRL represents ONLY the membership and that mambership
is a MINORITY of all amateur radio licensees in the USA.

Anyone could petition the FCC directly,
and many did, long before the Internet and ECFS.

"Anyone" could but extremely few did. Spend some
time in the Reading Room in DC and come back with
your results.


Back in the 1960s, when the changes known as "incentive licensing" were
being debated, FCC received over 6000 comments from individuals and
groups. There were at least 10 proposals besides the ARRL's. Those
other proposals were taken seriously enough by FCC to get RM numbers.

Did you actually count all those yourself? :-)

Tsk, that was before your time, Mother, before you
were Sister Nun of the Above. You are just
paraphrasing another on that. Don't get your habit
in a bind "reporting things" you weren't a part of.

What is more telling about the League's stubbornness on their
pro-code-test stance is that the IARU took a firm stand on
changing the ITU-R amateur radio regulations compulsory
(by administrations) morse testing for any license having
below-30-MHz privileges...the IARU wanted it OPTIONAL by all
administrations (at their discretion) a good year BEFORE
WRC-03. The ARRL wanted to keep the compulsory regulation.

Not true! Not true at all, Len.

The hell it isn't. Take off your cowl and LOOK.

The fact is that way back in 2000 or 2001, the ARRL BoD changed their
policy wrt S25.5. They decided to neither support nor oppose changes to
ITU-R S25.5.

More errors. That didn't change until 2003.

Given the strong support from many other member countries to change
S25.5, the ARRL's no-opinion policy pretty much guaranteed there would
be majority support to change S25.5.

A NO-OPINION position is a face-saving trick. If the vote
went one way, the ARRL could claim it "supported" it by "not
opposing it." If the vote went the other way, the League
was "not responsible" for it. It's a trick used in politics
for years in many other endeavors.


In ARRL's petition to FCC, they proposed eliminating the Morse Code
test for General but retaining it for Extra.

Mother, the ARRL's "Petition" (a rather rambling document)
is public view. Do NOT tell me what it "was about."
Anyone can read it and judge for themselves. You are
NOT needed as some "interpreter."

The majority of individuals commenting on the NPRM wanted the test
eliminated for General.

The majority of individuals commenting on the NPRM wanted the test
retained for Extra.

You read each and every one of them, Mother? I don't think
so. For your sins say 5000 Hail Hirams.

The two majorities are not composed of all the same individuals, but
they *are* majorities.

ARRL is a MINORITY "representative." Face the cold, hard fact.


That was VERY important to the controlling
coterie of the League, folks who wanted to be "better" than
others...in a hobby activity.

Nope. That's not what it was about at all, Len.

Bull****. It is CLEAR to anyone NOT a Believer
in the sanctity and nobility of the ARRL.

Do try to get your history straight.

It is MUCH "straighter" than yours, Mother. I have MORE of
history of ALL radio than you after you've been spoon-fed
information dribbled out to you by the League.

The fact is that the "incentive licensing" changes were an attempt to
*return* to a system something like that which existed before February
1953. The complexity of the final result was due in large part to it
being pieced together from the numerous non-ARRL proposals mentioned
earlier.

If that is true (and it is not) then there were FIVE classes
of amateur radio licenses prior to "incentive licensing." :-)

Are you taking stage magician lessons? You've FAILED.

btw, the 1951 restructuring that gave us the license classes with names
rather than letters was not primarily driven by ARRL.

Sweetums, do NOT go into your smokescreening by diversion
routine again. That's SO transparent.

What "incentive licensing" DID create was just the opposite of
"good fellowship" among amateurs, that of CLASS DISTINCTION
and a "pecking order" based largely on morsemanship.

How so?

What part of my paragraph is unclear to you? Do you need
it translated to Latin? What?


How many other radio services used Morse Code in 1966, Len?

You tell us. That's not part of the thread but one of
your attempts at diversion into another subject. Tsk.

Was there a shortage of trained radiotelegraphers during the Vietnam
War?

Oh, oh, Mother Superior strips off her habit to
reveal - ta-da! - JIMMY NOSERVE, expert on military
anything because he READ about it yet never served his
country in the military!

Jimmy Noserve should inform the group of his fantastic
wartime experience using "CW" with the AN/PRC-25 and
the AN/PRC-77!!!

The League lobbied for and got the "vanity license" system so
that olde-tymers could get their 1x2 and 2x1 super-special
guru-status callsigns. Even more status symbolism.

Should accomplishment not be rewarded?

VANITY is an "accomplishment?!?" Review your Deadly
Sins, sweetums.

Combining
"vanity" calls and "incentive licensing" there was a perfect
setup for all who managed to get both to crow and holler they
WERE BETTER than all others. Good fellowship went out the
window...rank, status, title RULED.

btw, Len, did you ever manage to get your Extra out of the box? It's
been more than six and a half years now...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOHOHOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mother, I didn't lay on the floor in the sign of the ARRL
diamond to take a lifetime VOW in the Church of St. Hiram.

BWAAAAAAHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I changed my mind, Jimmy Noserve. Several times
before 6 1/2 years ago. Human beings with free will
are allowed to do that. Really. I see NO point in
re-creating "skills" of what was long ago and not
used in the radio world today...other than by
some amateurs play-acting "pioneering" long-dead
technology. If you don't like that opinion, TS for
you.

If I want to volunteer in emergency communications I
will go to the California ACS. Ham license (from FCC
or FDA) is not needed. I can do several things, all
volunteer, which do NOT need manual telegraphy skills.
I don't need to do that since I know that the present
City-County-State emergency communications are run
well by regular staff, proven by REAL emergencies.


Do you have a need to look down on everyone?

All that are shorter than I...at least to see them clearly
wearing bifocals. :-)

Why are you looking down on professionals, Jimmy
Noserve? Aren't you one of them? Or did you lose
your job (whatever that was someplace)?


How will any currently licensed amateur lose anything if the Morse Code
test is eliminated?

BRAGGING RIGHTS, sweetums. SELF-PERCEPTION as a mighty
"radio operator" (circa 1930s). Loss of the rabid
olde-tyme morsemen's ability to LOOK DOWN ON ALL WHO
DON'T CARE FOR MORSEMANSHIP.

Are you BLIND? Why can't you understand what I wrote?
Do you need Remedial English or what?

YOU do all of the above, desperately trying to disguise
it by attempting humiliation of all those who disagree
with you.


So much so that I made a career choice of
it while studying for an entirely different sort of
work.

Funded by the taxpayers, too.

Not beyond half a year at Art Center School of Design
(the old campus on 3rd Street, not the new one in
Pasadena). Changing majors made me inelligible for
G. I. Bill funding according to regulations at the time,
according to the VA. "Call the VA," Jimmy.
"Call the VA!" BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No matter. I was employed in electronics in aerospace,
good job. Self-learning allowed me to rise in the
ranks to have design responsibility well before getting
that sheepskin.

But, in 1957 YOU were NOT a "taxpayer," Jimmy.
I DID serve my country in the US Army. You NEVER
served in any military branch of the United States,
yet you are so very judgemental and SUPERIOR to
those of us who did serve. You claim to be "expert"
in things before your time, especially grand details
of military action and realpolitic...just from
READING about them.


I got into Big Time HF comms 53 1/2 years ago and have
seen what modes DO work well and on a 24/7 basis on
long-haul circuits that HAD to be kept working.

Using equipment supplied and paid for by others. With a team of several
hundred people trained to do the job.

"Several hundred people?!?" WTF, Jimmie Noserve, do
you now insist on a TO&E breakdown? Incredible.

We've already HAD this discussion in here, Jimmy. ADA
transmitters had less than a hundred personnel on four
operating teams keeping the circuits running 24/7 on HF.
You need details? Go he

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

describes what I did, what others did, where and what it
was. 6 MB file size, takes about 19 minutes download over
dial-up.

YOU NEVER did anything close to that, Jimmie Noserve.
You are envious and trying to mask that envy. Be nice.

That doesn't make you more qualified to judge what amateurs do -
self-funded and largely self-trained.

Sorry, sweetums, you are WRONG when you go into that
song-and-dance. Talk to some of the ex-USN Chiefs about
being "self-trained" on equipment "self-funded." :-) Not
only that, but they got three hots and a cot plus pay.

Are you so ignorant that you think the US military
communications operates like ham radio?!?!? Incredible.
Well, you've NEVER done that, so I have to cut you some
slack. [MARS is NOT an example of regular military
communications]

I'm NOT judgemental about "what amateurs do," sweetie,
I'm talking about GETTING INTO amateur radio, the
FEDERAL REGULATIONS pertaining to GETTING a license.
Unless there was a Revolution last night, the US
government and the US Constitution still allows us
CITIZENS to petition our government. Regardless of
what you think/believe, amateurs do NOT "rule" US
amateur radio nor have the final say-so on it. Really.


Is youth somehow wrong, Len?

"Youth is wasted on the young." :-) Quote of someone...:-)

I enjoyed mine despite your making fun of it. :-)

YOU aren't young anymore, Jimmy. Face the fact. Time
doesn't stand still for any of us. Living in the PAST
as you love to do is your own delusion.


What if someone older than you, with more radio experience, told you
that you should work on your morse code skills? How would you react?

I'd tell him flat out:

1. "**** off!"

2. "Get some mental help, dude, you are twisted."

Jimmie Noserve, you've NEVER had any military experience
yet you keep on as if you did. Why is that? Arrogance?
Presumption of being "better" than those who served? Why?

Why do you believe YOU are so SUPERIOR that YOU can tell
others what to do?


Then why do you tell us so much about your past?

That's where you LOVE to live, Jimmie. I'm just trying
to make you feel at-ease. :-)

You LOVE play-acting like you are "pioneering radio."
Sorry, Jimmy, that was done long ago. By others. NOT
you.


If these self-styled emperors want to
flap their new clothes in my direction, I'll just keep
on pointing out that they are NAKED (and ugly).

Perhaps they are simply holding up a mirror.....

Hardly. :-) What YOU don't like is MY mirror being held
up to show YOU YOUR reflection. BOOO! :-)


Are you frustrated because your will has not become law...yet?

Not really. Flipping others' paradigms takes a LONG time.
Especially those who've been thoroughly brainwashed by
you-know-what organization. Why are YOU so edgy and
combative about no-code-test-advocates' postings? You
continue to attack bits and pieces of such postings well
out of context, trying to divert attention from what we say.
Yet you completely CONDONE identifiable garbage-mouths
because of their amateur licenses requiring code testing.
Looks to me like you are in FEAR of losing your bragging
rights, possibly your beloved ARRL when the Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Society fades away...replaced by new
generations that don't care for your antiquated ideals.

Put the habit back on, Mother SUPERIOR. Go thee and say
those 5000 Hail Hirams, then pray for your soul's
redemption.