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Old September 6th 06, 04:54 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy
[email protected] LenAnderson@ieee.org is offline
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Default You'll probably never have to use CW to save a life.

From: on Mon, Sep 4 2006 5:30 pm

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
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From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am



Actually there's a bit more to it than that.

If you recall, Len once set out to get an amateur license, and
reportedly got up to 7 or 8 wpm before he gave up on learning Morse
Code.

You see, learning Morse Code was "hard work" for Len back then.


Tsk. M. Superior is in her innuendo habit...

I explained that but you can't use my explanation and
have to manufacture a NON-reason of your own.

In the early 1960s I did make an attempt to get my
morse cognition skill up to 13 WPM, using mainly code
tapes (magneitc). I'm not sure of the reason I had
then, probably some pressure from co-workers who were
into SSB voice; my lab boss at Ramo-Wooldridge was Ed
Dodds, W6ERU, had a nice Collins setup in Woodland
Hills, beam antenna, regular skeds with a friend in
New Zealand. While CB (on 27 MHz) had been authorized
in 1958, it had only spread so far in 1962 since the
off-shore electronics industry hadn't yet begun to
invade the market. My E.F. Johnson Viking Messenger
had been removed from my 1953 Austin-Healey (an
excellent ground plane with all-aluminum body) since
my first wife coerced me into getting Detroit Iron.
Apartment dwelling was not good for CB then, nor for
amateur radio. We went house-hunting.

He's apparently one of those folks who does "book learnin'" rather
easily - let him read something and he'll lecture you on it endlessly.
Some of what he says will actually be right, too.


No, Jimmy, that's YOUR ploy in here. :-)

But learning Morse Code to the 13 wpm level needed for a General
license turned out to be not so easy for Len, so he has held a grudge
about it for decades.


No "grudge" for any amateur wanting to USE it. A view
only against the alleged "necessity" to demonstrate
morsemanship just to GET a license.

You've manufactured a "moral defect" which didn't exist.
You've conveniently OMITTED the fact that eleven years
before then I began working Big Time HF radio comms where
there was NO manual morse code used nor required. CB
had already been authorized on HF five years before and
required NO test whatsoever, certainly NOT morse code.
Seven years before that I'd been granted a First 'Phone
commercial license, again not requiring any manual morse
code demonstration yet I could (commercially) operate on
HF using that. There arose what Cecil Moore would later
term "return on investment" given the readily-observable
CHANGE in communications already taking place in the
late 1950s.

In using code tapes there was no "difficulty" in learning
the tone patterns, only the TIME needed to get them down
well enough. TIME is not an unlimited quantity and a LOT
of things needed my time in my twenties. If I had to
choose between a girlfriend (and later wife) and "morse
code practice," those code tapes would be kicked to the
gutter. If you think opposite, just shove a J-38 up yer
bum and have an orgasm, morse style.

Now you may wonder why, if Len could do 7 or 8 wpm at one point, he
didn't just get a Novice license, and improve his Morse Code skills by
operating, as most of us did.


I bought a house in 1963. Shortly thereafter my (then)
wife was diagnosed with cancer. She died in 1964. I
was then 31 and stuck with a bunch of bills that
required a second job to break even. Night college
classes had to be postponed for an indefinite period.
I kept the house.

With all that, you indefatiguable little character assassin,
you thought it was NECESSARY TO STUDY MORSE CODE?!?!?

If you really thought that, you have all the emotional
sensitivity of a lump of wet clay...or an aberrant
outlook that isn't in Psych 101 or 102 textbooks. Too
twisted for my undergrad knowledge of psychology.

The answer should be obvious: No way would Len allow himself to be
classified as a "Novice". That license did not carry the appropriate
title or status for him.


I'm not a "novice" in radio, Jimmy. Neither do I have
any emotional need for Rank, Status, Title in a HOBBY
activity. Since remodeling one unused bedroom into an
office, I haven't even mounted the RCA "first-patent"
plaque given to me by Chief Engineer Ray Aires nor the
picture of me getting it with Jim Hall, KD6JG, my
immediate manager at the time looking on. My wife is
the same way (I do the bragging about her) and her
'sheepskins' (3) are in storage up north. All of my
First 'Phone and GROL certificates and single college
certificate are in the big safety deposit box down
here; don't need them. I am secure in myself and what
I can do.

Outside of the amateur radio pecking order, WHAT GOOD IS
MORSEMANSHIP TODAY? It isn't used for regular comms by
any other radio service. There isn't one single Public
Safety radio service that uses manual morse code. There
isn't even one surviving landline morse code telegraph
circuit now. I've communicated by radio from land, from
a cockpit (at the controls) in the air, from the sea
(Ventura Harbor area), from a moving vehicle, from a
stationary vehicle, while on march in the Army with a
PRC-8 on my back. All during the last half century.
No "TITLES" necessary to do any of that or to do it well.

Precisely. They'll also have much more experience in amateur radio than
Leonard H. Anderson. Those who are proficient in the use of Morse, will
always be a leg up on Leonard.


Riiiight, world's greates DXer, amateur radio is SOOOO much
more advanced than every other radio. [barf, har har]

So what? People have all kinds of skills, experience, etc. I'm sure
there are things where Len has more experience/knowledge/skill than I,


IMPOSSIBLE in Jimmyworld. :-) [he will almost say that
outright]

and things where I have more experience/knowledge/skill than he.


Morsemanship, obviously. Something in great demand these
days of the 1930s. Morse champions are to be rewarded with
titles of nobility. Long live the morsemen. Huzzah.

On anything else, Jimmy hasn't made himself known. Such as
what he does for a living (if a life of morsemanship is
called living). Does Jimmy have a girlfriend? Boyfriend?
Any social life not requiring an antenna? Do we care?
[in general, no]



Exactly. Amateur radio is "radio for its own sake".


Then why all the titles, rank, status, privilege, bandplans
and attendant class distinction?


In case you've forgotten, Len did some writing for the now-defunct
amateur radio magazine "ham radio". He got paid for those articles, of
course. None of his articles were actual projects, though.


That is a moral deficit? :-)

You are IN ERROR, Jimmy. Look up the one on using an HP-25
calculator to convert Noise Bridge readings. That was
developed to aid some local friends on antenna measurements.
Look at the footnotes on that article and some of the
examples. The whole "Digital Techniques" series was based
on personal descriptions to others (some of which were
amateurs)...the last one on a Phase-Frequency Detector was
based on the prototyping I did, partly on an old Apple ][,
for an optical interferometer.

You conveniently forget the two-plus years I spent with
Ham Radio magazine as an Associate Editor. Look on the
mastheads for proof of that. Did that under Alf Wilson
(W6NIF, took over after Jim Fisk suddenly died) and
Rich Rosen (K1RR?). I opted out from HR from time
pressure of self-employment...and learning that publisher
Skip Tenney was going to sell HR to CQ.


...and learning morse would apparently be "work" for Leonard.


"hard work", actually. That's why he gave up on it.


No, DUMB work. Waste of my time. Why do I need morse?
Why does anyone need morsemanship? To keep the USA
safe from terrorists? BWAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is always Big Time in the Len recounting.


It was NOT "Big Time?" What do you call 36 to 43 HF
transmitters ON at any one time, power outputs of 1 KW
to 40 KW, relaying 220 thousand message a month, the
third largest station in ACAN-DCS? :-)

You need to see the following then:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...phabetSoup.pdf

I didn't make that one, just copied it. Circa 1962.
Produced by the Japan Signal Overseas Battalion, a
merging of the old "71st" and "72nd" battalions.


At least he has dropped the claim that HE worked 24/7.


I was on-call 24/7 with the scheduling times. NCOs got
stuck with that. Longest I worked was 34 hours, one time.

Jimmy Noserve not know stuff like dat. He never be in
military serving his country. Jimmy "serve country in
different ways," the 'different' very, very undefined.

My personal experience with PROFESSIONAL
long haul circuits that HAD to be kept working is that they don't
always. When a healthy solar flare comes along, you might as well mail
'em a letter.


Tsk, from the 80s and later? :-)

Military has used all kinds of comms spectra/modes from
1980 onwards, mostly microwave...comm sats, troposcatter
(both microwave, work right through solar flares) and HF
which is delayed only a few hours on CERTAIN HF routes.
HF radios with ALE (Automatic Link Establishment, not
the drink).

Looks like a deep seated insecurity on Len's part, though.


The only "deep seated insecurity" I have is the folding
chairs on the patio. The webbing is damaged by 25-30
years of solar radiation. Seat oneself in them now and
there is a great deal of "deep seated (to the floor)
insecurity." :-)

Must decide whether to get webbed ones or solid
plastic replacements. Still have the homebuilt
swing sofa out there.


You surely remember what he has said about CHILDREN in the past.


Oh yes - something about his difficulty including them in what he sees
as an adult activity. Also, he proposed a minimum age requirement for
an amateur license even though he had absolutely no evidence of
problems caused by the licensing of young people. Then there's his
accusating the ARRL and some VEs of "fraud" in licensing some young
children.


"Accusating?" :-)

I was not "accusating" the ARRL. I said their actions
were "grandfatherly" to a pair of cute six-year-olds. I
gave NO outright accusation if that's what your raging
character assassination words tried to say. :-)

FCC amateur radio regulations are written such that ANY
licensee, regardless of age, can operate (within bounds
of their license class) at any time. Says NOTHING about
"parental supervision" of six-year-olds or even nine-
year-old Extras.

Correct, legal operation of radios requires MATURITY of
RESPONSIBILITY. If you still think that 6 year olds and
9 year olds are MATURE, your head isn't on straight.

If nine-year-olds can become Extras, then what does that
say about the MATURITY level of other Extras? :-)

Tsk, tsk, still bitching about a Comment I made to the
FCC in January 1999? Seven years ago and you still
can't let go of it? Not a good mental picture of you,
Jimmy.


Didn't you know, Jim? Len's made himself an ADVOCATE for
something-or-other.


Keeping real estate zoning regulations as they were 40+ years ago?


What has THAT manufactured dispute of yours to do with
ANY radio?!?

Oh, you are homeless? (in Radnor, PA?)

Jimmy got no sense of LIVING on his own PROPERTY?

Jimmy and Davie only care about amateur morse code, ham
radio, and growing antennas...


His life is otherwise empty, depsite the comfortable income, two
mortgage-free homes and the like. Maybe Len can take a part-time job as
bag boy at Ralph's.


Maybe Davie can go stick a plastic shopping bag on his head?

Breathe deep with it on, Davie. Use your hands to
tap out morse code if you get in trouble. :-)

No, Ralph's requires that everything be Pretty Good. Including the
ketchup.


Ralphs, Vons, Albertsons chains all sell food made by
professional food growers and producers. AMATEURS
aren't wanted as growers/producers. Maybe at Tressieras
or Food4Less, but we don't go there.

BTW, quit trying to glean info on where the Burbank HRO
outlet is, it moved. You might tell Stevie the Imposter.
It isn't across the street from the Ralphs market where
we shop for food.


Len often acts ugly. I prefer not to think of him as naked.


Please don't go there...


You have a repugnance to seeing naked human beings, Jimmy?

Oh, yes, you are unmarried, right?


Whether Len is ever a radio amateur or not, I'm not going to lose any
sleep over it.


Nor I. Besides, it's just not going to happen.


The code test issue was never about me or "whether or not
I get a license." That is in your weird, manufacture-the-
worst-personal-assassination scenarios, Jimmy and Davie.

Long ago and several times since then I've said that my
actions are for ending the US manual morse code test for
an amateur radio license. There is NO "personal" motive
in that...you are confusing PERSISTENCE with 'personal.'

You two need to take a look at what YOUR personal motives
are in taking it so hard about those of us who seek
removal of the code test. Several possibilities exist
the

1. Either of you (or both) are just Code Bigots,
bigots always approving of actions of similar
bigotry in others.

2. Either of you (or both) are control freaks determined
to make all obey YOUR commands.

3. Neither of you, despite claims otherwise, understand
that manual morse code is a dead or dying mode in
ALL radio services; there is NO need to keep the
manual morse test to provide a "pool" of trained
morsemen for the national interest.

4. Either of you (or both) are scared that removal of
the code test will end your bragging rights, of
self-defined "importance" of rank-title-status-
privilege based largely on morsemanship.

5. Either of you (or both) are elitist snobs who have
the "deep insecurity" of NEEDING rank-status-title
to make you appear "better" than others.

Either of you (or both) fit one of those 5 things above,
possibly several of them. Irrelevant and a detail as to
which but your actions DO show fitting at least one of
them. Both of you have to understand that there are a
great number of other citizens who also wish the code
test removal. Both of you have to understand that such
a position is NOT some idiotic moral imperfection but
rather a reasonable opinion based on the advancement of
technology of all radio by this first decade of the new
millennium. Try to keep up. Unless it is too hard for
you...