RadioBanter - View Single Post - If you had to use CW to save someone's life, would that person die?

Dave Heil · September 12th 06, 06:07 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

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From: Dave Heil on Mon, Sep 11 2006 3:13 pm

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From: 951 on Sun, Sep 10 2006 3:28 pm

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From: on Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:42 pm

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From: on Mon, Sep 4 2006 5:30 pm

Dave Heil wrote:

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From: an old friend on Sun, Sep 3 2006 10:09 am

But the point is that a lot of changes have occurred in the real-estate
and construction industries in 40+ years. New technologies - new
methods - new financial and tax environments.

Tsk. I'm acquainted with most of those...IN THIS AREA.
You are NOT.

I think Jim and I are acquainted with what goes on IN AMATEUR RADIO.

You have many years as a licensed radio amateur. But, you
are NOT, nor have you ever been, a PARTICIPANT in Los Angeles
Zoning Board activities, meetings, nor a PARTICIPANT in owning
real property in Los Angeles County.

By golly, I believe you're beginning to understand! You tend to what
you know. I'll tend to what I know.

Real property and Zoning ordinances are NOT, nor have they
ever been a "radio subject." End this sub-thread because
it does not apply.

It most assuredly does. The parallels are clear.

N2EY tried to magnify one of my old statements, taking it well
out of context, attempting to MANUFACTURE some personal
"defect" of mine. His product QC was terrible and the product
FAILED.

That's funny. I don't see it that way at all. You stepped on a bear
trap and it clanked shut on you. Now you're busy attempting to explain
how much you know about bear traps.

N2EY was a NON-PARTICIPANT in real estate and Zoning
in Los Angeles. In other words, he didn't know his ass from
a hole in the ground on that.

So it really is an analogy to your efforts in amateur radio regulation!

However, to charge that "I know nothing of amateur radio"
is INCORRECT, IN ERROR.

I think the ERROR has been yours. I don't think you know--how did you
put it--your ass from a hole in the ground.

One does NOT need to be a licensed
radio amateur to "know about it."

One does NOT need to be a licensed realtor to understand Los Angeles
ares real estate matters.

United States radio
amateur activity is NOT "secret."

Los Angeles real property issues are NOT "secret".

Several radio amateur
interest group organizations freely offer detailed information
on what they think US amateur radio involves.

There is all kinds of information on Los Angeles area real estate
available on the web. There are additional sources of infomation
including libraries and even Los Angeles real estate agents.

Amateur 'radio' technology is the SAME as every other radio
technology, although lagging behind the rest of the radio
world in a few technical areas.

Los Angeles real estate isn't very different from real estate in other
parts of California or even from real estate in other large metropolitan
areas. Of course the regulations governing it could certainly lag areas
in the East.

NONE of that technology is
"secret" nor is it "revealed" to someone just receiving a
federal license permitting the RF energy emission according
to government regulations. Those government regulations are
open to all, not secret, and are freely available over the
US Government Printing Office website.

Funny that you'd mention that. I understand that information on Los
Angeles area real estate material isn't secret either. It is available
not only on the internet, but in printed form from a wide variety of
sources.

Anyone with a receiver can hear for themselves what radio
amateurs DO "on the air."

Anyone who buys an L.A. newspaper can get an idea of what is happening
in Los Angeles real estate.

US government (FCC) regulations
forbid the use of encryption (for deliberate obfuscation
of information transmitted) in amateur radio transmissions.

There's one of your masterful restatements of the obvious, Len.

There is NO RESTRICTION on personal communications off-air
by any citizen with another citizen who is a licensed
radio amateur.

....and yet another masterful restatement!

I have several friends of long-standing
who are licensed radio amateurs, one of them going back
to US Army service days.

That's so nice that they've included you in their social plans, Len.

The FCC does not restrict ANYONE from communicating with
the FCC on ANY RADIO SERVICE or any other interstate
communications service they regulate. They are required
BY LAW to be open to communications from ALL CITIZENS.

You've commented a number of times. Happy now?

By personal experience, I have been involved in HF radio
transmission beginning 53 years ago and have been granted
a Commercial radio operator license in 1956.

Careful, Len. You can get your butt in a sling if you try using that on
the ham bands. It isn't any good there.

I AM
experienced in radio communications from VLF on up to
25 GHz.

That's nice, Len.

US radio amateurs are NOT allocated any bands
below 160m...

....not at the moment, but there's work being done on that. Some
Europeans have access right now.

...and the allocated emission types are limited
(again BY LAW), such limitations lesser than my hands-on
experiences.

Well... Aren't you SPECIAL!

I have written for, been published, even
employed as an editor for an amateur radio magazine, an
independent that existed for 22 years.

I know it well. I have almost the entire run, yellowed with age.
It's too bad you couldn't parlay all that experience into a ham ticket.

You are NOT.

You are hopelessly stuck in a personal attack mode and
will not leave it.

Again, Len, you get what you dish out. Live with it.

To reiterate: YOU are NOT INVOLVED in Los Angeles real
estate nor the Zoning laws of this city.

To restate: You are NOT INVOLVED in amateur radio in the United States
or elsewhere.

Further, YOU
know bupkis about that as it applies here.

Ditto, you about amateur radio.

It is NOT
a subject for this newsgroup, not even close to that.

On the contrary, the parallels are striking!

Your only effort in this thread is to attempt some
personal denigration of myself.

....and to watch was you stand in the jaws of the bear trap, explaining
all you know about bear traps.

That wastes time for
others, does little except making you look the asshole,
and is a FAILURE.

Others aren't required to read or respond. It has worked well and it
reveals a horse's patoot with one leg clamped in a bear trap.

Dave