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Old September 16th 06, 09:14 AM posted to rec.radio.scanner
Zombie Wolf Zombie Wolf is offline
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Default simple dipole for newbie - copper, alum, or galv steel pipe?

Yes, I do have a 66 foot vertical, that is suspended from about an 80 foot
tree out here, and i have been using it for a very long time. And the mobil
antenna is still on the old truck, also. Out here in the country, they dont
care what you put up for antennas. I also have a horizontal loop antenna out
there that is 150 feet on each side.

If you are so convinced that it doesnt work, then try it out. Its just that
simple. Put a three foot one up in the attic, as i described, and see if it
"fails to work".on the 155 mhz police band. Out here, we dont use EZNEC. We
just put 'em up, tune 'em, and use 'em. The antennas I dexcribed here are
well known to any novice operator (back when you had to know something about
it). The half - wave vertical is problably one of the oldest antennas on the
ham bands. It's not some "new idea" that i dreamed up..........

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Make a Half - wave vertical with pipe. If the wall is dry wood, you can
simply clamp it in place on the wall. You figure out the length of this
antenna by the following formula

468 / freq (in MHZ)

Hook the center conductor of the coax to the antenna, and then simply
run a wire from the shield braid of the coax to a nearby ground.
Presto. You now have a half - wave vertical.

The end impedance of a half wave antenna is in the neighborhood of
1000--5000 Ohms depending on the diameter of the conductor; fatter
conductors, lower Z

The END impedance is not where you are making your connection. The
impedance at the connection point on a half wave vertical is about 30 to
35 ohms. Not a perfect match , but certainly not 500 to 1 !.

Connecting a coaxial cable to the bottom end of a half wave element and
the shield to ground will then result in a V.S.W.R. of roughly 2500/50
or 500:1. You need to convert the feed Z to 5o Ohms either by:


They didnt "convert" it when i ran a half wave whip on my car , and the
shield was grounded to the chassis. I ran this for 15 years and never had
an swr of over 1.5. My 40 meter vertical outside doesnt have an swr of
500, either, and it has worked well over the last 20 years. No stub
matching is required in either case. Better tell this to the thousands of
hams that have been running these antennas for the last 50 years ! No
antenna matcher is needed, either (your lumped L or pi network). The
formulas and the antenna itself came right out of the arrl handbook.


So, you're telling me you have a 66' tall 40M vertical that is fed
directly with coax?
I would appreciate a model of the antenna in EZNEC or ELNEC or AO. In
addition, the reference and year of the Handbook or any professional
journal where it describes end feeding a half wave antenna directly with
coaxial cable.

Dale W4OP