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Old October 3rd 06, 10:46 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
J.B. Wood J.B. Wood is offline
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Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

Certainly... but most of this antenna consists of pairs of parallel
wires that are physically interconnected, but are *not* separated by
free space - the wires that are part of the twin-lead.

You still must decide how many electrically-small
segments would constitute, say, a 1 foot length of conductor. The higher
the frequency, the more segments you will need. If transmission line is
to be connected between segments, NEC has tools for doing that. BTW, my
experience is with LLNL's NEC-4 (FORTRAN-77 source code) rather than the
commercially-available packages. Sincerely,


Sorry, that model still wouldn't work (unless I've misunderstood the
principle of this antenna).

The whole point of modeling a multiband antenna is to get one model that
is good for all its operating frequencies. That allows us to check that
the SWR dips at all the right places, and to find out what's really
happening in the supposedly "non-operative" parts of the antenna.

AIUI, the central part of the Lattin antenna is a half-wave dipole at
the highest operating frequency - call it 30MHz, so the wavelength is a
nice round number, 10.0m. Outside each end of this 5m long dipole is a
quarter-wave stub made of twin-lead. These stubs are resonant at 30MHz,
so they cut off the rest of the antenna (much like a trap) leaving just
the central half-wave dipole as the only functional part at of the antenna.


The normal differential-mode velocity factor of the twin-lead applies to
this stub, so its correct physical length is not a quarter-wavelength
(2.5m) but about 0.8*2.5m = 2.0m.

Moving to the next lower operating frequency, there will be another pair
of quarter-wave resonant stubs isolating the ends of a half-wave
resonant dipole. But part of the physical length of this longer dipole
is the 30MHz stub. If you model it at its true physical length of 2.0m,
this will be correct for the lower frequency, but if you ignore the
differential-mode velocity factor, the stub won't be resonant at 30MHz
any more.

So the question remains: how can we model this "simplest" case of a
two-band Lattin antenna, in a way that will be accurate at both
frequencies? If we can solve that one, then extending it to the full
5-band Lattin should be child's play :-)


Hello, Ian and I think the problem here is with the dielectric in the
transmission line. As I said earlier, the presence of dielectric
material in the structure does complicate things. NEC AFAIK was never
intended to handle this situation. I wouldn't say that NEC couldn't
model this antenna but it would be a challenge. And as you point out a
NEC wire model of this antenna not accounting for dielectric effects
would be incomplete at a given frequency. I have never tried to model
an antenna with NEC that included dielectric material nested between
wires. Sincerely,