From: Dave Heil on Sun, Oct 8 2006 3:22 am
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sat, Oct 7 2006 5:40 am
wrote:
Big Brother of Newington will ruler-spank you.
Ho, ho! Beep, beep...
"FB, OM."
QRT.
"Roger who?"
etc., ...
I don't blame you for leaving out the rest. I'd have been embarrassed
to have have written it too.
Something "left out?" Oh, my, we can't have that. Here's
the exchange again, word for word, right from Google's
recent RRAP message storage:
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From: on Thurs, Oct 5 2006 7:20 pm
wrote:
From: on Tues, Oct 3 2006 3:25 pm
wrote:
From: Nada Tapu on Sat, Sep 30 2006 2:23 pm
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:56:08 -0400, wrote:
1. The "official" 'Radiogram' form sold by the ARRL
for use in "official" message relay by amateurs.
Obvious play-acting AS IF the amateur relay was
by "official" means a la Western Union or similar
REAL telegraphic message. :-)
Why must the format be sold? Is it copy righted? If I send a message
using THE FORMAT without purchasing the form, am I guilty of copyright
infringement?
Big Brother of Newington will ruler-spank you.
2. The monotonic HI HI HI on voice to denote a 'laugh.'
Done with little or no inflection and hardly normal
to genuine laughter. [jargon from telegraphic
shorthand where inflection and tonality of real
laughter is not possible]
Hi, hi!
Ho, ho! Beep, beep...
3. Gratuitous signal level and readability "reports"
to other stations AS IF they were solidly received
when they are not.
You're 59, OM.
"FB, OM."
4. Carrying over many, many "Q" code three-letter
shorthands from telegraphy on voice where the plain
words would have worked just as well. Jargon use
has the appearance of being a "professional" service
but it is just jargon, a juxtaposition of short-hand
used in different modes.
QSL.
QRT.
5. The seeming inability to express anything but in a
flat monotone on voice, despite the subject (if any)
under discussion. Most of the time such voice
contacts seem devoid of the transmitting operator's
ability to convey any emotion beyond boredom.
Roger.
"Roger who?"
6. The over-use of call signs instead of legal names
in non-radio conversation, communication, and image
displays...AS IF the license grantee were a REAL
radio station or radio broadcaster.
Every 10 minutes.
"We now pause 10 seconds for official station identification."
7. The non-radio self-definition of a licensee as being
"federally authorized radio station (or operator or
both)." Elevation of self-importance beyond what the
amateur radio license GRANT is about.
10-4.
Roger that. Affirmative. Over and out.
8. The non-acceptance of the word "hobby" for the real
activity of radio amateurs AS IF they were somehow
a national service to the country.
Authenticate.
"Official"
9. The falsity of redefining the word "service" (amateur
radio service, were 'service' means a type and kind of
radio activity of all) into that "national service"
akin to anything from a para-military occupation to an
important "resource" that would always "save the day
when all other infrastructure communications services
'failed'."
Amateur Radio Service = GI Bill.
ARRL chief a member of Joint Chiefs of Staff.
10. The falsity of assuming that amateur radio is
PRIMARILY an "emergency" communications resource.
Regardless of the pomposity of many self-righteous
amateurs and thousands of words and redefinitions
written, the amateur radio service is still an
avocational radio activity done for personal
pleasure WITHOUT pecuniary compensation.
"Sorry Jim, MARS is Amateur Radio."
As Pluto went so may MARS...
Amateur radio is among the least formal radio services I know.
Besides listening-only to radio broadcasting service,
what DO you "know" about OTHER radio services?
Other than reading about the amateur radio service in WWII, what does
Jim know about THE Service?
He consults Pentagon library of morsemen.
You know NOTHING of military radio. You never served, never
worked with the military. I did both as a soldier and as a
civilian.
Jim knows nothing of military radio.
Except surplus he read about.
You know NOTHING about any form of broadcasting from the
transmitting end or even studio/location procedures and
technology. I've been involved with broadcasting at the
station end since 1956.
I suspect that Jim was an Extra in "Pump Up The Volume."
He not listed in SEG, Screen Extras Guild.
You know NOTHING of Public Land Mobile Radio Services, never
had one. I did.
When you was LMR, Jim was VFR.
CAVU...(Code Allatime Very Universal)
You know NOTHING of Aircraft Radio Service, protocal or
procedures, or of actual air-air or air-ground comms.
I've done that, both air-air and air-ground.
Maybe Jim wasn't VFR.
IFR. Intermittent Fantasy Regaler.
You know NOTHING of Maritime Radio Service, what goes on
and what is used. I've used it on the water, both in
harbors and inland waterways.
Jim is on CH16.
Hot water?
You MIGHT know something of Citizens Band Radio Service.
CBers out-number amateurs by at least 4:1, could be twice
that. I've been doing that since 1959.
Jim is on CH19.
10-4.
You MIGHT know something about Personal Communications
Radio Services other than CB (R-C is not strictly a
communications mode, it is tele-command)...such as a
cellular telephone. No "call letters," "Q" codes, or
radiotelegraphy are used with cell phones. One in three
Americans has one. Do you have one. I do.
You can reach Jim at XXX-XXX-XXXX.
He X rated now?
Too many olde-tymers want to PRETEND
they are pros in front of their ham rigs.
Not true, Len. We're amateurs
Don't you forget it.
Yowsa!
:-)
I have USED my COMMERCIAL radio operator license to operate
on FAR MORE EM SPECTRUM than is allocated to amateurs. LEGAL
operation. In most cases of such work NO license was required
by the contracting government agency. [the FCC regulates only
CIVIL radio services in the USA, NOT the government's use]
Jim isn't involved in Gov't Radio. But he reads about it.
Knows all. Allatime calls others "wrong."
When did YOU "legally" operate below 500 KHz? Have you EVER
operated on frequencies in the microwave region? [other than
causing 2.4 GHz EMI from your microwave oven] Have you
transmitted ANY RF energy as high as 25 GHz? I have
transmitted RF from below LF to 25 GHz. I have done that
since 1953...53 years ago.
Jim's Giga Hurts.
Let's take up collection to send him Preparation H.
What would you have me "take advantage of" in "good chunks"
of the EM spectrum? "Work DX at 10 GHz?!?" :-) :-) :-)
I prefer smooth.
Peanuts.
I've once "worked" 250,000 miles (approximately) "DX" with
a far-away station above 2 GHz but below 10 GHz. What have
YOU done above 3/4 meters? READ about it?
Jim once incorrectly calculated the distance to the moon. I think
maybe Coslo aided him with the calculations.
Coslonaut helped Giganaut.
Oh, yes, now you are going to "reply" with the standard
ruler-spank that I did not do that with "my own"
equipment. :-)
You should have gotten a QSL manager and with the greenstamps earned,
bought both sides of the QSO.
My bad. I QRK and QSY both.
Well, now YOU have a quandry. To use that stock "reply"
of yours you MUST define that the "taxpayer SUBSIDIZES"
anything of the government or contracted work by the
government. In your "logic" then, I really DO "own" that
equipment!
I suspect that Jim is subsidized in many ways.
Must be...he never subsides.
But, if you say I don't then you have to take back your
INSULT to all military servicemen and servicewomen that
they "receive a SUBSIDY from the taxpayer." I will NOT
"own that equipment" if you take that insult back.
Perhaps Jim will loan you some tube-type equipment ...
I have tubular capacitors for hollow-state things,
cathode ray tubes on a hot tin roof.
YOU don't think your remark was an "insult." You've tried
to rationalize your way out of that three ways from Sunday
since. Well then, I "do" "own" that equipment and did get
experience using "my own" equipment!
Jim insulted me. Jim insulted Hans. Jim insulted Mark. Jim insulted
Len.
Jim did not insult Dave who apparently thinks little of his service.
Is that why his Giga hurts?
YOU are NOT young, Jimmie. Face it. You've hit the
halfway mark and are downhill all the way since.
YOU are MIDDLE-AGED, growing older.
YOU never "pioneered radio" in your life. All you did
was try to fit in to the present...and then rationalized
by implication that you somehow did some "pioneering."
But, but, but he has greenlee punches...
He is punchy.
You imply that you are "superior" because of achieving
an amateur extra class license largely through a test
for morsemanship. Manual radiotelegraphy hasn't been
"pioneered" by you.
Jim is a follower.
Camp.
The transistor was invented in 1948 - 58 years ago.
1947. The PATENT wasn't granted immediately. :-)
Owch!!!
I guess that was before the days of instant gratification.
Also before instant oatmeal and regularity.
Amateurs were using
them in receivers and transmitters by the late 1950s.
Early. Like 1952. See QST or CQ (forget which) which
I saw at Fort Monmouth in that year. Transistors made
by Philco (?). Whatever it was, the transistors have
long been obsolete, out of production, replaced by
newer, better, cheaper types.
Do they require greenlee punches?
How about we give him nice Hawaiian Punch?
Come back when you've actually DESIGNED some solid-state
ham radio, not just assembled a kit designed by someone
else.
Plans from a Ham Radio magazine.
Prior to 1980...
Use those mighty collitch degrees, all that radio-
electronics "experience" in the "industry" to show us
what you can really do. :-)
He can post attrition numbers on hobby radio.
Cribbed from Joe Speroni's website...
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I know that you intended your post to be sarcastic and perhaps even
humorous. It wasn't. It was sophomoric.
Poor baby. Upset are you? There there, just cry in
Mother Superior's habit and you'll feel better...
It doesn't matter whether you read it in context or out, Len.
Ah, so you LIKE taking things out of context!
And you seem to think that is "acceptible."
No sweat, senior, we can ALL do that to YOUR posts now.
Consider my post as humor.
"BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"I am laughing at your superior intellect!" :-)
You've exhibited your usual display of humorless unpleasantness.
Is that more of your "humor?" :-)
Well, we will all "consider your posts as humor" in the
future. No sweat, senior, we will. It is how you want
it. :-)
Heh heh, Don Rickles will never have to worry about
any competition from you... :-)
Of course, Brian Burke and I were having fun with one
of James Miccolis' posts, NOT Heil's.
But, you are the self-appointed "protector" of Miccolis
in here, right? :-)
It is sarcastic and it is juvenile. It isn't worthy of an adult in his
eighth decade.
Ah, you are the "judge" of that, old-timer? :-)
Miccolis can't answer for himself? You have to intrude
and be the pro-bono "defense?" :-)
[or is it "pro-boner?"]
I'm not looking for rationalizations.
You MAKE them, though...
Your post wasn't some civil
dissertation on your reasoned thoughts on removal of morse testing.
The FCC has all those. :-)
Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've told you why I am here and what do I
get for "replies?" Stuff like I have "hidden agendas"
(and other conspiratorial bull****) or "you've had an
interest in ham radio for decades and never got a license"
or "you could have gotten a no-code tech license" or "you
could have gotten a license on waivers" along with
assorted insinuations of stupidity, ignorance, lack of
"proper attitude" and other nastygrams. :-)
The above have greeted every "reasoned thought" I've
presented in here on ELIMINATION of morse code testing
for an amateur radio license...and many more quaint
adolescent insults directed to my person. You were one
of those tossing ****. shrug You are an amateur
extra and consider yourself above the rest, are
"superior." No problem. Usual from the uber-morse
crowd.
No one here is bound to accept your thoughts, find
amusement in them, or refrain from jeering or throwing
tomatoes.
Poor baby, your good buddie Jimmie got some over-ripe
tomatoes in his direction? It's the Nature of the
Newsgroup Beast. Try to get used to it. [you never
have gotten used to it, though, and that makes you
angry allatime]
Heil did the same OUT OF CONTEXT "quoting" of Brian
Burke, adding in his pet phrase (which Heil says is
"not" a personal insult) of "red-hatted monkey."
Did I say it wasn't a personal insult?
You used it as a personal insult.
It is certainly an accurate description.
See, there you go again with the personal insult.
You can't help yourself. Poor baby.
I have several for you.
And you DO use them...and then 'deny' them. Tsk, tsk.
Go into your "Herr Robust" or "Waffen SS"
routine again and you'll likely see a few of 'em.
"Routine?" Did you think they referred to yourself? :-)
The Old Organ Grinder, the man who is only here for CIVIL debate is
heard from.
Tsk, tsk. I *am* a civilian. :-)
...but you aren't civil.
I have never been a civil servant. :-)
You have been employed by the State Department...yet
you've not displayed any diplomacy in here, neither
"carrot" nor "stick"...but you DO tell your 'opponents'
to "stick it." :-)
I have ground pepper but never an organ.
You grind your organ frequently right here in r.r.a.p.
Sorry, I don't "grind my organ" while typing. :-)
[I'm laughing too hard at pro-coders usually...]
I don't grind my teeth, either. [yes, they are all
rather firmly attached 24/7]
I wrote nothing of Fargo nor chippers. :-) :-)
No doubt you claim you never saw the movie "Fargo"
either. Nice end of the movie scene where a murderer
is getting rid of a body by running it through a
chipper. Seems like the kind of thing you would
enjoy...grinding your 'opponents' down that way. :-)
You were here when I showed up and were already not being a polite
"goody two-shoes" respondent.
Awwww..."being civil" meaning I should AGREE with
KH2D in here at the time? :-)
Kehler was one of the most sarcastic, sulpherous,
one-sided pro-coders experienced anywhere. He left
here, left Guam, moved to the states.
You'll likely be asked again in light of your deliberate falsehood
concerning what it was like to undergo an artillery barrage.
You think you "know" all that I've done? Of course
you think so. You are a pro-code amateur extra and
"know" everything. Understood. Morsemanship makes
you superhuman.
See IEEE Code of Ethics
If you have ANY evidence of PROFESSIONAL impropriety, you
just go ahead and report me to the IEEE. I gave you
their mailing address and URL here in public.
You fail to understand that the IEEE is a Professional
Association. It isn't a scouting organization nor is it
religious organization such as the Church of St. Hiram.
The IEEE Code of Ethics is for a WORK ethic, not the
entirety of life as an individual.
But, you WANT to use every little scrap you can get hold
of in order to besmirch some imagined 'enemy' don't you?
Of course you do. You seem to revel in it.
Okay, you have the freedom to write the IEEE and tell them
I have been behaving nasty to you (a 'superior' being) in
a USENET newsgroup and should have my membership cancelled
because of that. DEMAND apologies. Demand strict obediance
to your wishes. Go for it.
As ever to you, the ByteBrothers famous phrase is invoked.