RadioBanter - View Single Post - Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?

Dave Heil · October 10th 06, 05:39 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sun, Oct 8 2006 3:22 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sat, Oct 7 2006 5:40 am
wrote:
Big Brother of Newington will ruler-spank you.
Ho, ho! Beep, beep...
"FB, OM."
QRT.
"Roger who?"
etc., ...
I don't blame you for leaving out the rest. I'd have been embarrassed
to have have written it too.

Something "left out?" Oh, my, we can't have that. Here's
the exchange again, word for word, right from Google's
recent RRAP message storage:

=============== End Repeat of Message Quote =================

Where?

I know that you intended your post to be sarcastic and perhaps even
humorous. It wasn't. It was sophomoric.

Poor baby. Upset are you? There there, just cry in
Mother Superior's habit and you'll feel better...

Why not, poor baby. I've pointed out that your post wasn't funny and
wasn't worthy of an adult male.

It doesn't matter whether you read it in context or out, Len.

Ah, so you LIKE taking things out of context!

Where did I write that, Len?

And you seem to think that is "acceptible."

No, I thought it was "acceptable".

No sweat, senior, we can ALL do that to YOUR posts now.

We? You have a Vibroplex in your pocket?

Consider my post as humor.

"BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

"I am laughing at your superior intellect!" :-)

At least you've acknowledged it. :-) :-)

You've exhibited your usual display of humorless unpleasantness.

Is that more of your "humor?"

Don't you recognize your own words, Len? That was simple mockery.

Well, we will all "consider your posts as humor" in the
future. No sweat, senior, we will. It is how you want
it. :-)

Do you speak for a group now?

Heh heh, Don Rickles will never have to worry about
any competition from you... :-)

Don Rickles? Is he still working? I haven't seen him on TV for better
than a decade and he was old then.

Of course, Brian Burke and I were having fun with one
of James Miccolis' posts, NOT Heil's.

It doesn't matter whose post you thought you were having fun with, your
response just embarrassed you.

But, you are the self-appointed "protector" of Miccolis
in here, right? :-)

Am I? When did I make a declaration to that effect? :-) :-)

It is sarcastic and it is juvenile. It isn't worthy of an adult in his
eighth decade.

Ah, you are the "judge" of that, old-timer? :-)

I'm permitted to make judgements, Len. I judged your post. Your
permission wasn't required. :-)

Miccolis can't answer for himself? You have to intrude
and be the pro-bono "defense?" :-)
[or is it "pro-boner?"]

I don't need authorization to respond to any posts in this newsgroup.
Someone said recently that anyone may respond to a newsgroup post. I
believe that someone was you.

I'm not looking for rationalizations.

You MAKE them, though...

No, I didn't MAKE an attempt at rationalizing your post. I dismissed it
as juvenile.

Your post wasn't some civil
dissertation on your reasoned thoughts on removal of morse testing.

The FCC has all those. :-)

I've read your submissions and I beg to disagree.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. I've told you why I am here and what do I
get for "replies?"

You've told us many times why you are here and just as often, you
demonstrated that your claim is not factual.

Stuff like I have "hidden agendas"
(and other conspiratorial bull****)...

Yes, your true agenda is thinly hidden. You've said you are here for
one thing; your posts reveal that you are here for much more.

...or "you've had an
interest in ham radio for decades and never got a license"

That's a factual statement, based both upon information from you and the
fact that you've not obtained any amateur radio license. You've posted
right here for better than a decade. You still have no amateur radio
license of any class.

or "you could have gotten a no-code tech license" or "you
could have gotten a license on waivers"...

Those are also factual statements. You could have done either. You
have not done so.

...along with
assorted insinuations of stupidity, ignorance, lack of
"proper attitude" and other nastygrams. :-)

You send nasty-grams. It comes as no surprise to me that you receive
them in response. You are truly an unpleasant man, Len.

The above have greeted every "reasoned thought" I've
presented in here on ELIMINATION of morse code testing
for an amateur radio license...

You aren't owed a silent audience, an adoring audience or even an
accepting audience. You have no guaranteed freedom from boos and
catcalls. You'll have to accept the right of others to a voice.

...and many more quaint
adolescent insults directed to my person.

You've usually received as you've transmitted. If you weren't such a
pontificating windbag, your reception might have been more restrained.

You were one
of those tossing ****. shrug

I've greeted some of your ideas with derision. Some have been met with
jeers. I've heaved some tomatoes your way too. I have freedom of
speech too, Leonard. Get used to that fact. No one owes you respect,
agreement or silence. You've maligned the ARRL, individual amateurs,
amateur radio as a whole, the Morse test, Morse code use and the work
and achievements of those who have disagreed with you in any manner.
Now, what do you think I owe you?

You are an amateur
extra and consider yourself above the rest, are
"superior."

In amateur radio, I'm vastly superior to you in knowledge, experience
and skill. Then again, so is the fellow who got his license last week.
You have a problem with anyone being superior to you. You should get
used to the fact that in any endeavor, there will be those who are your
superiors.

No problem.

Your response says, "problem".

Usual from the uber-morse
crowd.

Would you mind sharing with us what the term "uber-morse" might mean?

No one here is bound to accept your thoughts, find
amusement in them, or refrain from jeering or throwing
tomatoes.

One difference between us is that I was already aware of that. With
you, it just might be starting to set in.

Poor baby, your good buddie Jimmie got some over-ripe
tomatoes in his direction?

Well, poor baby, when did "buddy" start being spelled with an "ie". Is
it "Jimmie" or "Jimmy"? Tsk, tsk.

I think Jim handles you pretty well. He throws facts in your direction.
You stumble over a number of those.

It's the Nature of the
Newsgroup Beast. Try to get used to it. [you never
have gotten used to it, though, and that makes you
angry allatime]

You are the fellow who seems to think that the pearls he sees himself as
bestowing upon this newsgroup are not met with the respect and deference
he feels that they should receive.

You do washee?

Heil did the same OUT OF CONTEXT "quoting" of Brian
Burke, adding in his pet phrase (which Heil says is
"not" a personal insult) of "red-hatted monkey."
Did I say it wasn't a personal insult?

You used it as a personal insult.

Yes, I did. I also used it as a symbol of his behavior.

It is certainly an accurate description.

See, there you go again with the personal insult.

Yes, I did, didn't I?

You can't help yourself. Poor baby.

I helped myself to the line Hans came up with. It fit the occasion.

I have several for you.

And you DO use them...and then 'deny' them. Tsk, tsk.

I've not denied them, poor baby. Tsk, tsk.

Go into your "Herr Robust" or "Waffen SS"
routine again and you'll likely see a few of 'em.

"Routine?" Did you think they referred to yourself? :-)

Yes, Len, it is a routine. Yes, I'm aware that you direct them toward
me. :-) :-)

The Old Organ Grinder, the man who is only here for CIVIL debate is
heard from.

Tsk, tsk. I *am* a civilian. :-)

...but you aren't civil.

I have never been a civil servant. :-)

It wasn't funny the first time you used it. Reruns are particularly bad
in humor.

You have been employed by the State Department...yet
you've not displayed any diplomacy in here...

I'll try to remember that if you ever become a foreign state or a
representative thereof.

neither
"carrot" nor "stick"...but you DO tell your 'opponents'
to "stick it." :-)

You left out "carrot and stick". Keep boning up on how diplomacy
functions. We tried the carrot with the North Koreans. Then we tried
the carrot and stick. Shortly, we and the world community will be going
with the stick.

I have ground pepper but never an organ.

You grind your organ frequently right here in r.r.a.p.

Sorry, I don't "grind my organ" while typing. :-)

Maybe you've found a different meaning for the term. How do you mean
it, Len?

[I'm laughing too hard at pro-coders usually...]

....or otherwise you'd be grinding your organ while typing? I see.

I don't grind my teeth, either. [yes, they are all
rather firmly attached 24/7]

That's nice, Len. I'm happy for you.

I wrote nothing of Fargo nor chippers. :-) :-)

No doubt you claim you never saw the movie "Fargo"
either.

No, Len. I don't claim that. I've seen it a number of times.

Nice end of the movie scene where a murderer
is getting rid of a body by running it through a
chipper.

Uh-huh. A murderer was chopping up a murderer.

Seems like the kind of thing you would
enjoy...grinding your 'opponents' down that way. :-)

I've never murdered anyone, Len. Your fantasies seem to have taken a
peculiar twist.

You were here when I showed up and were already not being a polite
"goody two-shoes" respondent.

Awwww..."being civil" meaning I should AGREE with
KH2D in here at the time? :-)

If you'd been polite or at least civil, I think it more likely that
you'd have been treated similarly. As it was, you did your usual
pontificating windbag and you got as you gave.

Kehler was one of the most sarcastic, sulpherous,
one-sided pro-coders experienced anywhere.

"Sulfurous", Len. Isn't that interesting? I think you are one of the
most sarcastic, insulting, sulfurous, one-sided no-coders experienced
anywhere. Go figure!

He left
here, left Guam, moved to the states.

Superfluous minutiae.

You'll likely be asked again in light of your deliberate falsehood
concerning what it was like to undergo an artillery barrage.

You think you "know" all that I've done?

No, Len, I don't think I know all that you've done, but I know at least
two things you haven't done: One involves an artillery barrage and one
involves an amateur radio license.

Of course
you think so.

No, I really don't think that, Leonard.

You are a pro-code amateur extra and
"know" everything.

No, Len, I know a great many things, but I don't know everything. I
learn something new almost daily.

Understood.

No, Len, you really don't understand.

Morsemanship makes
you superhuman.

I use a number of modes in my amateur radio operation. I don't confine
myself to a single one. I'm completely human. I'm just not the kind of
human who declares that he is interested in something and then lets it
lie for decades. I'm not the sort of fellow who boasts that he is going
for an "Extra right out of the box" and fails to follow through.

See IEEE Code of Ethics

If you have ANY evidence of PROFESSIONAL impropriety, you
just go ahead and report me to the IEEE.

It is funny that the Code of Ethics doesn't seem to restrict itself to
PROFESSIONAL matters. There's nothing that says that.

I gave you
their mailing address and URL here in public.

I already had the url, Len. The mailing address appears on the web site.

You fail to understand that the IEEE is a Professional
Association.

Don't you mean PROFESSIONAL association? I don't fail to understand
that. Don't worry about it. Continue to post as you do and keep using
that " e-mail address. It does you and the IEEE proud.

It isn't a scouting organization nor is it
religious organization such as the Church of St. Hiram.

I don't think anyone believes it to be a scouting organization, Len.
Were you ever a Boy Scout?

I don't know of any religious organization called the "Church of St. Hiram".

The IEEE Code of Ethics is for a WORK ethic, not the
entirety of life as an individual.

So, when you retire, you are no longer required to act ethically?

But, you WANT to use every little scrap you can get hold
of in order to besmirch some imagined 'enemy' don't you?

Oh, you were besmirched a long, long time ago, Len. I'm certainly not
imagining you and I don't see you as an enemy. I think of you as more a
pain in the ass.

Of course you do. You seem to revel in it.

I'd be less than honest if I didn't get a little enjoyment out of
sticking it to you, Leonard. You're kind of the perfect target. You're
boastful, you're windy, you pontificate, you're a self-appointed
advocate for something you aren't involved in.

Okay, you have the freedom to write the IEEE and tell them
I have been behaving nasty to you (a 'superior' being) in
a USENET newsgroup and should have my membership cancelled
because of that.

You've been behaving in an unpleasant and discourteous manner to
numerous posters to this newsgroup for better than a decade.
You probably should have your membership "canceled" because of that.
I leave it to other IEEE members to decide whether it takes place.

DEMAND apologies. Demand strict obediance
to your wishes. Go for it.

"Obedience", Len. Did you realize that you're starting to come off like
N9OGL?

As ever to you, the ByteBrothers famous phrase is invoked.

Just what does that mean, Len?

See IEEE Code of Ethics

Dave K8MN