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From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am
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imagines he is "helpful."

I am helpful, Len.

What do you need help with?

His concept of
"helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he
thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff.

It's what *you* want, Len. Not me.

"Big Brother" thinking a la George Orwell. :-)

That's what you do, all right. Anyone who disagrees is denounced.

*NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM
for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the
FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using
any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz.

They have that freedom now, Len.

You do not.

YOU demand that all newcomers wanting below-30-MHz
privileges MUST take that code test..

I don't "demand", Len. I simply think that a code test is a good idea
for *all* amateur radio licenses.

I also think the written tests could be improved.

.because it was always done.

Nope. Wrong. You've made yet another mistake.

I think the Morse Code test is a good idea for many reasons, but
"because it was always done" isn't one of them.

THAT is the "hive mind," Mother, straight
out of the olde-tymer ARRL's hymnbook.

You're just plain wrong, Len.

What is so "sacred" about having to take that code test
for below-30-MHz operating privileges?

Nothing sacred about it, Len.

It's just a good idea. In fact, I think amateur radio would be better
off if *all* amateur licenses required a Morse Code test. That's just
my opinion.

You keep on and
on and on and on and on about that...yet every other
radio service doesn't require that.

So what? Amateur radio is different. If it wasn't, there would be no
need for it to be a separate radio service.

Ah, but your
RATIONALIZATION (that is all it is) is that amateur
radio is somehow "special" and MUST continue to do as
it has always done, keep on with federal testing for
morse code telegraphy.

No, that's not true at all, Len. You've made yet another mistake.

Virtual enslavement to the ideas
of long-ago radio amateurs who just couldn't keep up
with the times and change.

You mean like somebody who insists that zoning ordinances must never be
changed to allow different land uses?

The emotional necessity you have for some nebulous
'tradition' to keep that code test is just self-defined
bull****.

Y'know, Len, it's easy to tell when you've lost the debate. You tell us
all by the way you go ballistic, start cussing and SHOUTING and using
derogatory nicknames and cuss words.

The fact is that you have no tolerance for opinions different from
yours.

Why are YOU so damn special that YOUR demands
MUST be met by others?

Ask yourself that question, Len.

Ego? Delusions of god-hood?
Are you a Controller, Mother? You have a NEED to CONTROL
others? Why are you against letting others choose for
themselves?

See? There you go!

I'm just expressing my opinion, Len. I think a Morse Code test is a
good thing for Amateur Radio. In fact, I think it would be better if
all radio amateurs had to pass such a test.

*You* were the one who wanted to prevent people under the age of 14
from getting amateur licenses.

*You* were the one who wanted to prevent development of land you did
not own, just because it was near your house.

*You* are the one spamming ECFS with hundreds of pages of commentary,
even though you are not involved in amateur radio at all.

Who is trying to be the controller, Len?

It might be that
doesn't understand 'reality.'
He says he "lives in the ham bands."

Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote.

Mother, quit that annoying habit. You know damn well
what YOU meant.

Len, if you claim someone wrote something here, you should be able to
back up that claim. Seems to me you can't do that.

You've stooped to misquoting me for some reason. Why? All my posts are
in the archives - if I wrote something, a direct quote would be easy to
find.

I think you know that you are wrong, and are trying to evade the truth.

The rest of us
live in residences like houses or apartments.

I've got one of those.

Ah, but do you LIVE in one? :-)

What do you think?

He has
funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds
of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to
mention local tax laws.

What funny ideas?

YOURS, Mother.

I'm not your mother, Len. (thank goodness!)

This newsgroup is NOT about local zoning
laws. This newsgroup is NOT about real estate. This
newsgroup is NOT about local tax laws.

Says who? Are you the moderator? I think not!

It's not about a lot of things, but that never stopped you.

YOU live roughly 3000 miles away (if you call that living)
and do NOT participate in my neighborhood association,
haven't even met or even know about the neighborhood, but
you damn well HAVE to intrude and lecture me, bore every-
one else about an incidental NON-AMATEUR-RADIO thing.

I don't think everyone else is bored by my postings.

The fact is that *you* have done exactly what you accuse others of
doing: resisting change, trying to keep others out, holding to old
ways, etc.

Almost every claim you have made about those who support Morse Code
testing can be used to describe your actions toward a simple zoning
change.

Tsk, your whole point of that was just Character
Assassination of me. :-)

Can't kill something that doesn't exist ;-) ;-) ;-)

What did I write about your zoning change that wasn't true, Len?

Since it didn't work, you
MUST keep on and on and on and on with it. It's about
the only 'weapon' you have in your tiny arsenal to fight
against elimination of the code test. :-)

It's a clear and valid analogy. You're the outsider trying to force
your way on a community where you have no investment. Just like an
outside developer trying to build in your neighborhood - except that
the developer invested lots of time, money and effort into the
neighborhood.

Not me, Len. I'm not about hate.

I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy.

Tsk, it must be Election Time since you are sounding
just like every bull****-politician who ever ran. :-)

You mean like the two presidents from your state? They weren't exactly
winners, Len.

Are you running for some kind of "office" in amateur
radio? You want to CONTROL hams and enslave them to
YOUR politics? Sure sounds like it.

Not to anyone who has any sense.

"Accuracy:" Are you still saying that ENIAC was "the
first electronic computer?"

You've made another mistake, Len.

ENIAC was the world's very first fully operational, high speed, general
purpose, electronic
digital computer.

That's what I've repeatedly written, but you misquote me.

[it's not an amateur radio
subject since ENIAC never did any computing for amateur
radio]

How do you know for sure?

Are you going against a Federal Court decision
about that? Good luck and I hope you get admitted to
the Bar so you can re-argue that 1970s decision.

The court decision was about the patents, and the attempt to monopolize
the computer industry.

If you think the ABC machine was an electronic computer in any real
sense, then you really don't know what the words mean. All it could do
was solve systems of linear equations - it didn't even have a
conditional jump instruction. It was a specialized calculator, not a
true computer.

See the chart in:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eniac

"Common sense:" The FCC gives all amateurs the OPTION
of using any allocated mode in any allocated band.

That's true. Or they can come up with new modes, document them, and FCC
will allow the new modes as well.

Yet
you demand that the morse code test be required for any
radio amateur desiring below-30-MHz privileges...even
though the FCC has stated at least three times in public
(beginning in 1990) that it sees no value for their
licensing purposes.

I don't "demand" that, Len. I just think it's a good idea. And not just
for HF but for all radio amateurs.

FCC has stated all sorts of things, btw. Doesn't mean they are always
right. Do you think BPL is a good thing? FCC seems to think it is.

If FCC is so against Morse Code testing, why wasn't the test just
dropped in the summer of 2003? All it would take is a Memorandum Report
and Order.

The FCC is the one with the NPRM
on deleting that code test.

Then why are you so upset? You're not involved. You're not part of
Amateur Radio, and it's pretty clear you never will be.

YOUR idea of "common
sense" is apparently a strict obediance to whatever the
ARRL says. :-)

Heck no, Len. ARRL wants the Morse Code test kept only for Extra. I
want it for all radio amateurs.

"Fair play:" As long as everyone in here agrees with
your desires as a PCTA amateur extra, they are "fair."
If they disagree, your "fair play" vanishes. You then
become the ruler-whipping Mother Superior intent on
character-assassination. Tsk, we've all seen that.

Len, you're talking about yourself - as usual.

"Justice:" Wow, what a concept! The PCTA concept of
"justice" is simply Do As We Say! Keep the code test
forever and ever even if the REASONS for it have
evaporated long ago. Keep The Code Test because all
the PCTA had to take one and everyone else had
damn well take one, too!

No, Len. I've never used those reasons.

You really do seem to know that you've lost.

Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole.

You mean like "pushing" FACTS of a Federal Court
decision in regards to your beloved ENIAC *not*
accepted as a "first?" :-)

ENIAC was the world's very first fully operational, high speed,
general purpose, electronic
digital computer.

That's a fact.

Mother, the ARRL is NOT the sole purveyor of radio
history.

Nobody says it is, Len.

But when it comes to facts, you sure come up short.

There are other sources, but you keep
trying to push ONLY the ARRL "facts" up people's hole.

Do you mean that I point out your mistakes?

That's about ALL you do to my postings, Mother. :-)

Debate is all about showing the mistakes in an opponent's reasoning,
Len. IOW, pointing out their mistakes. You make so many mistakes here
that it can be difficult to keep up!

You love playing the prissy pedant and get amnesia when
you GET CORRECTED ON YOUR OWN MISTAKES! :-)

Which mistakes are those, Len?

Does too much morse code affect your short-term memory?

Nope - just the opposite.

Give you selective amnesia?

Nope - just the opposite. Improves the memory.

Increase your imagination?

Yep - and creativity, too. All sorts of good things. You wouldn't know
about them, of course.

A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now.

Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the
US military?

There are databases showing who was NOT in the military?!?

Where? If there were, YOU would be on one! :-)

IOW, you haven't found the database K8MN referred to.

You have NEVER served in any military, yet your own quaint
sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy"
MAKES you "correct" anyone about anything military? Hey,
no problem, you can get support for replacing the Secretary
of Defense any time from other PCTA! You can then replace
the MARS Directive and say "hams run MARS!" :-)

There you go, attacking the person rather than the argument.

Want to see a digitized copy of my DD-214, Mother? I'm sure
you would considering your sense of "justice, fair play,
common sense, and ACCURACY." I might even add a copy of my
Honorable Discharge; I would have to go get it from the
Safety Deposit box at the bank, but it would be for "justice,
fair play, common sense, and accuracy." Those are two
documents which YOU will NEVER have.

So what? Does the possession of those documents somehow mean you are
infallible, Len? You seem to think that way. But it is not so.

Does YOUR concept of "justice, fair play, common sense, and
accuracy" ALLOW some bull****ters to claim military service
even if they haven't produced ONE documentary PROOF of it
for years?

Why should anyone have to provide *you* with proof, Len?

Can't you find the database K8MN referenced?

You claim to know who served in the US military and who didn't. Yet it
seems you can't find proof on your own.

Why should anyone provide you with proof of their military service?