Telamon wrote:
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The whole problem is that people in the know have started to refer
to Gegen as an innovative company which produces BETTER radios
than Sony, especially after a bit of development. A company
which goes against the grain of development of Chinese companies
which tend to produce amazing technological achievements in
prototype form to show to their corporate customers which then
become tinny bits of junk with all corners cut to save money when
put into production (see made-in-China versions of Sony VCRs which
Sony tells you to they will swap out or you can throw away if they
ever go wrong)

Keep on dreaming your dreamy dreams.

It is not clear whether you know what you are talking about with this
comment: My statement came from an American who spends most of his
time living in China where he has to deal with this attitude on what
I mentioned were OTHER Chinese companies.

I know what I am talking about. My vague general statement refers to
the quality of Chinese produced products compared to a Japanese company
such as Sony. The Chinese are not up to that quality level but I have
no doubt that with the investment American companies have made in China
it will not be long before they will be up to that same level. Maybe in
a few more years.

Or is your point that you don't agree that Degen aren't one of these
companies and DO produce junk? Not sure anyone around here agrees
with you on this controversial point?

From comments on the news group, Internet research, and my direct
experience with Chinese made products the Chinese are not up to the
quality level the majority of Japanese companies have attained.

Cato responds - I remember as a kid back in the 50's & 60's that if
anyone mentioned that something was "Made in Japan", the immediate
thought that came to mind was it was cheaply made junk of the very
lowest quality. "Made in Japan" had that junk reputation, because for
the first couple of decades after WW II, that's what the Japanese were
known for making. Lots of cheaply made very poor quality goods to sell
to us westerners in the U.S., Canada, and Europe. Especially lots of
cheap plastic stuff. Even the plastic was the lowest quality plastic.
North America was flooded with the stuff. You saw it everywhere you
went. "Made in Japan!!! No wonder it isn't any good! What did you
expect huh?" sound's very familiar. Cheaply made little transistor
pockedt radios. cheaply made plastic toys, cheap motor cycles and
thousands of other items.
Foir a number of years the label "Made in Taiwan" had the same
reputation. Maybe it still does with some people.
But it wasn't that many years, into the 70's and 80's, before
everyone wanted a Sony Walkman cassette player, followed by the Walkman
CD player, and Sony T.V.'s. Other Japanese companys, like Hitachi
started to make some good stuff. Honda started to make a not bad
motorcycle, Honda's first cars rusted out like crazy and fell apart.
But look at them today. Much improved, and they've really hurt G.M. &
Ford plants in the U.S. and Canada haven't they? Along with the other
foreign companys that have taken U.S. and Canadian business. I suppose
the same has happened in Europe, but I am most familiar with how all
these imports have hurt the traditional automotive companys in the U.S.
and Canada. Adapting to these changes is very painful for a great many
North Americans.
I worked for G.M. of Canada Ltd. for more than thirty years, and
saw how this was effecting the North American auto industry first hand.
I just couldn't understand why Americans and Canadians where buying
foreign cars built in Japan, Korea, and elsewhere. I expected them to
buy G.M., Ford, and Chrysler to support our American and Canadian auto
industry here at home.
Ane then Honda, Toyota, and others started building plants in
North America!!!

O.K., sorry, I've gotten off topic......
What you are starting to see, is that now some good stuff is
starting to come out of China, and people don't want to believe it.
That's understandable.
Same thing happened before when Japan started to produce some
good stuff, and then Taiwan, and a few others, including South Korea.
And history just keeps repeating! But times change.

I don't think the Degen's are junk but at the same time many have
raised quality issues in the news group with Degen radios.

Hopefully Degen will one day produce a high quality radio.

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Telamon
Ventura, California