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From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm
an_old_friend wrote:
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Jim Hampton wrote:
Hello, Jim

Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us.

I can put the issue away, but not some of the hard feelings developed
along the way. There are several individuals on this group that I
would never care to meet on the air or in person.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more
serious discussions ...

Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service.

There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just
plain wrong.

sure there is you have often said

Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am
aware of.

I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever
advocated such.

Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong.

Ahem...three things as I saw them, Brian:

1. That "they [FCC] MIGHT just as well eliminate writtens" was
such a COMMON rejoinder by pro-coders that it became
another myth in the minds of the 1930s-standards-retro
folk. To them everything was about the code test.

That's not true about me.

2.

by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never
ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude
(dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram).

Len, that's what *you* do. Not me.

Why,
if pinned to the wall by someone, he will self-righteously
(and in 'outrage') demand for 'proof' by going into thousands
upon thousands of old, old Google archives and copying the
'proof.' [AS IF this was evidenciary in some mythical
court of law]

The facts are what they are. You don't seem to like facts, Len, if they
disprove your cherished opinions.

3. Several others well back before 1998 were using the general
remark of "if the code test is eliminated, then the writtens
will be 'next' because it 'follows the progression.'"

That has already happened.

In 2000, the *written* testing for the three classes of license still
available was reduced significantly.

Yet that wasn't enough for some. At least one recent proposal (NCVEC's
second proposal) claimed the 35 question multiple-choice Technician was
'too hard' and that a new license class with even less *written*
testing is needed.

picked up on that, reworded it, but repeated it...apparently
making certain he couldn't be found 'guilty' of EXACT wording.

Show us.

Pointing out that the written requirements have been reduced is not the
same thing as advocating a 'no test' amateur radio service. Not the
same thing at all.

as do most of the ProCoders that the
NoCode would be followed your proposal to end testing

They think that there might as well be no testing at all now that the
code exam is gone.

I'm as pro-code-test as they come, and I do not think that at all.

And the Morse Code test in the USA isn't gone yet. It will take a few
weeks at most
for the bureaucratic wheels to turn and make the change effective.

They sure don't value the writtens very much, do they?

Well, I do. They could be better, though.

To the pro-coders EVERYTHING in amateur radio was about morse
code use, venerating the mode of on-off keying CW, and
generally making them "masters of the radio waves" by their
skill at a DEFUNCT radio communications mode once championed
in the 1930s and 1940s.

Not true at all. There's a lot to amateur radio besides Morse Code.
Which is not 'defunct' at all.

The VEC QPC has made up ALL the written test elements for years
but not a single pro-coder seems to admit to ever contacting
the VEC QPC about that content...at least not in here.

That doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Not everyone brags on and on like you, Len ;-)

One
reason (perhaps) is they don't give a damn about the writtens.

Another reason is that they don't tell you everything.

Everything is about morsemanship in operating on the ham
bands to them.

Even if true - what's wrong with that?

If you are really only against the *test*, what's wrong with *using*
Morse Code?

we arre awaiting you ideas on the subject

What ideas? He just wanted to dump the written.

Untrue.

In essence, that is true

No, it's completely untru.

...despite

denials.

Then show where it was proposed.

All the
pro-coders were using the rationalization about the Archaic
Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) and the 'necessity' to keep
code testing. Forever.

What's wrong with wanting to keep a good thing?

"Forever" is about to cease. The "End of the World As They
Know It" is about to happen. Their sky will fall. Chickens
Little will scamper about, shouting epithets and nastywords
at evil, loathsome no-coders and the "failure" to "keep
standards high"..."standards" that have been drilled into
their psyches for decades by the Elders of Newington.

No, not at all.

It's just another bad decision by FCC. They make some good decisions
and some bad decisions. Do you think their BPL decisions are good ones?

I've been gone for a few days, didn't hear about it until
late Friday night and then only in a casual remark over a
telephone call. Got on a friend's computer and saw that
the End of Code Testing was the #1 news item on the FCC
home page. [it doesn't appear on the Amateur page under
Wireless Bureau, but then little happens there in keeping
up to date] Wonder upon wonders! :-)

Guess who broke the news here on rrap, Len, by starting this thread?

Okay, now I'm reflecting about the GLORY of the democratic
process in petitioning our government for a redress of
grievances. IT WORKS!

Not really.

An agency of our government
believed the words of our citizens in wanting change and
is about to rule on that change.

A majority of those who commented on the Morse Code test issue
wanted at least *some* Morse Code testing to remain. The majority
did *not* want complete elimination.

Yet FCC ignored the majority and will completely eliminate Morse
Code testing very soon.

Explain how ignoring the majority means "IT WORKS".

CHANGE will happen,
despite the former ruling party of pro-coders' spitting
and snarling about "spamming" the government with "anti-
ham" attitudes wanting the code test gone. :-)

Your wordy piles of commentary to FCC amounted to spam, Len, and
probably slowed down the process.

On more reflections, FCC 99-412, the R&O establishing
the Restructuring of 2000, was released on 30 Dec 1999.
I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC releases the R&O on
code testing elimination about that same date...the
news release (not a law, just a 'media advisory') was
done on 15 Dec 2006, almost 7 years later. I think of
it as a Christmas Present or the Start of a New Era
along with a New Year. Glory in Excelsus!

The announcement was made at the end of the business day on a Friday.
That way FCC doesn't have to deal with the responses right away.

Modernization is Happening in US amateur radio. Regs
are finally catching up to late-1900s standards!
[catching up, they will be approaching 1980 when the
code elimination R&O is released]

Did amateurs stop using Morse Code in 1980, Len?

Has No Code International "done anything?" Hard to tell.
the www.nocode.org pages haven't been updated for a
year. NCI is still talking about the NPRM of July
2005 in their 'Articles' section. But, I'm sure that
NCI will praise itself after the fact...all their
'hard work' etc., etc., etc.

In my estimation, the Comments of CITIZENS on NPRM
05-143 did all the work in influencing our government
on its announced decision.
Power to the People!
[but we still need electricity...]

A majority of "the People" did *not* want complete Morse Code test
elimination, Len.

FCC gave "the People" what they did not want.

--

In a few days the official Report and Order will be released, and in a
few weeks it will be effective. The only surprise is how long it has
taken for FCC to make the change. Three and a half years since the
treaty changed!

And once the Morse Code test is completely gone, what will you do, Len?
You won't have anything to carry on about on rrap anymore.