RadioBanter - View Single Post - So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?

Dave Heil · December 29th 06, 03:33 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John".
There's always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".
Dave K8MN

You didn't give the street or house number of that Gettysburg
address. How could you miss that? Tsk, tsk.

The Gettysburg Address is not the same as a Gettysburg address, poor
baby. Tskity tasket.

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket.

Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic
talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing,
shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents.

To those of us who entered the Big Leagues of HF Radio over
a half century ago, the "AUTISTIC TALENT" metaphor DOES
have CORRECT merit.

I submit that many entered the "Big Leagues of HF Radio" about the same
time as you. You are but one of them. You are the only one of them
comparing learning the Morse Code to an "AUTISTIC TALENT". As with so
many other things you've written here, you are in error. Typing in
capital letters and adding a "Tsk, tsk" here and there don't make your
views true.

That it bugs the **** out of you is
just too band, ainit? :-)

Leonard, I have little doubt that once all of the smoke clears away,
you'll still be attempting to open the box containing your Extra Class
amateur radio license.

Note: "Metaphor" is NOT the same as "semaphore."

....nor is "piccolo" the same as "pickle loaf".

If you don't like others waving a metaphor around, TS on
you. It ain't no crime.

If you want to wave a metaphor, make certain that it is a valid one.

Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...
Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...?

Your juvenile behavior is showing, Leonard.

You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit
in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode!

If that's what you come away with after reading a sentence which
includes the words "by radio amateurs", so be it.

Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for
communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none]

It is then peculiar that I'm still hearing aviation beacons which use
Morse Code. I hear utility stations in the HF bands using Morse Code
for two way communication. That aside, I have little interest in the
modes other radio services use. I'm concerned with those which are used
in the service in which I am an active participant, amateur radio.

What's it to you, Len? Amateur radio still uses Morse Code. You aren't
a radio amateur and you aren't likely to be one.

Maritime radio was the first biggie user of radio and
nowadays they use Voice and Data...Voice on VHF in harbors
and inland waterways, on HF SSB on open ocean. Maritimers
began with morsemanship because that's all they had back
in the prehistory of radio. That changed. Maritimers
tossed morsemanship in the trash heap, the dumpster (those
are more metaphors, Dave, don't get all hissy fit on it).
Even the US CG stopped monitoring 500 KHz years ago.

None of those things are amateur radio. I made a number of 160m
contacts last night with Nordic and Russian radio amateurs. We used CW.
I do hope that's okay with you. Perhaps we should have thought to
check. No one involved had tossed the Morse Code into any dumpster.

However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in
its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting.

Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts.

I have no trouble believing that.

My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with
and destroying the enemy." shrug

My Cub Scout and Boy Scout uniforms were very real. One could see and
touch them. We didn't receive any instructions on closing with and
destroying any enemy.

Come to think of it, I never received any instructions from the Air
Force about my duty to close with and destroy any enemies. In your time
in the Army, did you ever close with and/or destroy any enemy, Len? I'd
love to have you tell that story about what it is like to undergo an
artillery barrage. Did that really happen to you or did you make it up?

Never learned any morsemanship in the Army...they weren't
teaching it to anyone but Field Radio MOS students then.

That's good, Len. I never received any Morse Code training in the Air
Force either, though I passed a Morse Code receiving test as a part of
my Bypassed Specialist exams.

The US Military dropped morsemanship requirements for
military communications decades ago...

What has that to do with amateur radio, Len? I'm no longer in the
military. Are you?

I learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket.

"Ticket?" To what? Ride the airwaves?

You know, Leonard, that is exactly what it was.

See a performance
of some "No kids, no lids, no space cadet" morseman?

One could be treated to that by just tuning a receiver. No license was
required. The W2 who uttered those now-famous words was a phone man.

To
see a sporting event featuring Nancy Kott (in golden gloves)
up against a no-coder? :-)

If you'd sign for the bout, I'd pay to see it.

I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972,
1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug

You don't have to learn any now. Let's call it one more thing that I
know and that you don't.

I got a Commercial radio operator license (First Class right
from the start) in 1956...a half century ago (plus a half year).

That "Extra right out of the box" has certainly given you more trouble,
hasn't it?

Helped get me started in Real radio (not with a bunch of
amateurs), earning a living and having lots of fun doing the
work.

Many of us have more experience than you in commercial, military or
governmental HF radio operations. Live with it.

I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean
on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would
somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license?

Yes, Len, it could have.

I wasn't going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio
license.

Wow! Big Dave doesn't let ANYTHING stand in HIS way! :-)

No, Len, I don't. Now what?

Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his
refusual to recognize others having a different opinion
than his godly wisdom...

You don't react well to folks who don't share your opinions, Len.
Google and the FCC electronics records are loaded with examples of how
you react.

Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've
been enjoying its use for over 43 years now.

How lovely! Something (finally) you are good at...and now
you want to keep forcing the code test on ALL newcomers
wanting below-30-MHz operating privileges!

Nobody can tell Big Leonard what to do. When the Morse Code exam is
removed, you'll still be trying to open the box holding that Extra ticket.

So, whatever YOU enjoy is what EVERYONE ELSE should "enjoy?"

Zoning changes.

I'll be enjoying it long after code testing goes away.

Again, how lovely! Mighty Macho Morseman rides again with
the Four Morsemen of the Apocalypse!

Whether you think it lovely or not, it is fact. Live with it.

["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."]

How many? Is this quote another of your factual errors?

I'll bet Big Dave will be "enjoying" morse long after he
has assumed room temperature... :-)

That isn't possible, Len. The odds are that I'll be enjoying after you
have achieved room temperature.

The Coroner will have to pry the code key from his cold,
dead fingers. Tsk, all that work imposed on government
officials...

....while all you'll have is empty, cold, dead fingers.

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