RadioBanter - View Single Post - So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?

Dave Heil · January 3rd 07, 06:00 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: "Alun L. Palmer" on Mon, Jan 1 2007 10:32 pm

" wrote in
Alun L. Palmer wrote:
John Smith I wrote in
wrote:

I think you misunderstand me, Len. All I'm saying is that there are quite a
few radio professionals who are also radio hams, and you ought to at least
give it a try.

I don't "misunderstand" much, Alun.

There seems to be a great deal of debate on that issue, Len.

My good friend Allan Walston (W6MJN), friend and former
group manager Jim Hall (KD6JG), and military service
comrade Gene Rosenbaum (N2JTV) have all been professionals
involved in radio. All are against the elimination of the
morse code test in US amateur radio but I do not hold that
against them. They are good people.

There are many good people who have come out against the elimination of
morse testing. You've frequently demonstrated that you hold it against
a fair number of them.

"Give it a try?" I've already done that as a "third party"
on amateur radio bands.

That's nice, Len. My parents have been on the telephone end of phone
patches. While they knew that the calls were being made by a radio
amateur, I'm sure that they never thought they were participating in
amateur radio.

Good grief, Alun, I really have
communicated by radio many times in the past fifty
years...and over more of the EM spectrum than is allocated
to US radio amateurs. I know how it works.

Amateur radio is not about "been there, done that, got the T-shirt",
Len. Neither is it a game of "I know how it works."

I've had to
"know" several different radio service protocols and have
no trouble adapting to any of them. Just what is it I am
supposed to "learn" in such "having fun?"

You don't have to learn anything, Len.

That's an honest question. I don't lack for human
companionship, friends or much else. Having once kept
many radio circuits operating 24/7, transmitting 'vital'
messages all day long, I don't regard "collecting brief,
momentary contacts" as "fun." If others like that, fine,
more power to them.

Many of us enjoy contacts lasting an hour or hours on a regular basis
with friends we've known for years.

Last I looked, 'operating' a radio
is not the end-all, be-all of amateur radio.

That's all the amateur radio license really permits us to do, Len. It
permits us to operate. You may listen all you like without any license
whatever. You may build a transmitter capable of transmitting high
power on the amateur bands. Without that license, you may not operate
it or test it.

As for the age limit thing, we used to have a lower limit of 14 in the UK,
but it was dropped completely and never missed.

I'm NOT into that "age thing." Almost 8 years ago my
particular Reply to Comment on FCC 98-143 had a
"suggestion" to that effect on the last of 14 pages
of text accepted by the FCC.

A "suggestion", huh?

If anyone wants to see the public record, they only
need go to the FCC ECFS and bring up the 13 Jan 99
Comments. In that they will find out that my
suggestion was THEN prompted by a (referenced) ARRL
news page wherein two 6-year-olds were shown in a
picture as "the youngest hams."

Right. Your "suggestion" still stands in the FCC records.

According to the FCC regulations then and now, any
licensed radio amateur can operate on permitted
bands BY THEMSELVES.

That's right--BY THEMSELVES.

There's NO law saying that
6-year-olds "must" have parental supervision when
doing so. They (the sixes) could legally send RF
anywhere in the world, all by themselves.

That's right; they could. How about that!

Way back about 7 years ago, I stated that CHILDREN
(specifically pointing to the six-year-olds) don't
have the RESPONSIBILITY nor the requisite wisdom
to behave properly in a largely-adult endeavor.

The FCC says they do have the RESPONSIBILITY, Len. The FCC issued them
a license. That indicates that the Commission believes that they have
the wisdom.

That hit a terrible sore point with all the morsers
who had (or cared for) children since, having passed
a high-rate code test, they were now PhD-equivalent
pediatric "experts." :-(

What qualifies you as a pediatric "expert", Len?

I've tried to let the matter drop...

You surely have. As long as you post here, it isn't going to happen any
more than your "sphincter post" about what is like to undergo an
artillery barrage (that you never went through) is going to go away.
Come to think of it, your posts about others dishonoring veterans aren't
going away in light of your post of the other day. You really are a
little weasel.

...but Miccolis MUST
try to bring that subject up again, and again, and
again. I suspect that I set an arbitrary age limit
of 14 and Miccolis got his first license at age 14.
See the connection?

You suspect that you set an arbitrary age of 14. I can confirm it for
you. You did it. I don't know if Jim MUST bring the subject up or if
he simply desires to bring it up. I know that if he ever drops it, I'll
gladly bring it up periodically. You've claimed to be all about
removing morse testing. Your words on instituting a minimum age for
licensing prove that your claim isn't true.

I let this age thing drop years ago...

Your words still stand in the public record.

...and won't pursue
it any more than I did almost 8 years ago.

That's awfully big of you, Len.

I am
getting annoyed that Miccolis keeps bringing it up
with supposed "motivations" that are impure or
immoral or somehow "against him." That's why he
gets the bird flipped at him...

It is evident that you don't like having your own words come back to
bite you. Those words are more evidence that your claims of only being
interested in the elimination of morse testing aren't true.

The only RL life case I know of involving ham radio was someone in an area
where I used to live who allegedly enticed local boys into his radio shack,
If you think about it, preventing them from having their own licences could
have made his station all the more interesting to them.

I'm not going to venture into this area. I have
NEVER done such a thing, have no desire to "entice
anyone" into my electronics workshop, office,
vehicle, or home for ANY immoral purposes. I have
a lovely wife, my high school sweetheart in fact,
and we've been together for longer than that
supposed moral perfidy that Miccolis keeps
crowing about, the one done almost 8 years ago on
the last page of 14 Comments submitted on 98-143.

Got that Alun? Got that Miccolis? Got that Heil?

Nice of you to bring me into the conversation, Anderson!

Good, now DROP that 8-year-old "subject" and quit
all trying to pin some kind of moral-ethical "rep" on
me.

You don't give orders here, Len.

I'm starting to get a bit ****ed off here.

Well you could Google up a guy named Anderson who posts here. He says
that not all are up to STRONG opinion on usenet. If you dig deeper, he
misidentifies how usenet got its start.

Try to control your emotions, Len.

Anyone who wants to pin some kind of "immorality"
rap on me can save up for legal fees (the billing
ain't cheap). I can afford legal billings. I can't
afford that kind of ROI "fun" to get a ham license.
It ain't worth THAT.

So, if I understand correctly, you'll sue us if we don't stop bringing
up your own words regarding the licensing of children? If I
misunderstood, please enlighten us as to the basis for your possible
legal action.

Alun, if you feel you've been "misunderstood," then
I would suggest you check your own syntax on what
you say in here. There be all sorts of trolls eager
to pop up from under their bridges, ready to talk
trash and nonsensical "charges" of perfidy here.
They will take the slightest thing out of context
and manufacture (indeed custom-make) something
entirely different than what was originally written.

Counsel him, Len.

Dave