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Dave Heil · January 8th 07, 06:03 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

in a rerun, wrote:
From: "Carl R. Stevenson" on Sun, Jan 7 2007 10:14 am

wrote in message
Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith I wrote:
No, the new generation of hams will make it obsolete and history!
Like AM?
--
The invention of the motorcycle did not make the bicycle obsolete. The
invention of the car did not make walking obsolete. Power boats did not
make all sailboats obsolete, although many sailboats were replaced by
power boats.

However, in the wider view of ALL world radio, manual morse
code radiotelegraphy HAS become obsolete.

There's not any reason why radio amateurs should concern themselves with
what the wider world of radio does. The Morse Code is used for
thousands of QSOs daily in amateur radio. That you don't like it,
doesn't matter.

The ONLY radio
service using it for (alleged) communications...

It isn't being used for alleged communications, Len. It absolutely *is*
being used for communications. Deal with it.

...is the ARS
(Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society).

No such animal exists, Leonard.

There will still be people who CHOOSE to use Morse if it's presented to them
as fun and they're allowed to make the choice without intimidation (and
without berating them)

Soon-to-be-legal R&O 06-178 is about the *TEST*, Carl. :-)

Unlike you, with your stuck record, Carl chose to address the use of
Morse Code.

[in case you've forgotten...possibly since the NCI web
site didn't appear to know it until after a week had
passed after the FCC announcement...just a deduction]

You often make poor deductions, Leonard.

Is there any earth-shaking regulation changes about
morse code USE in FCC 06-178? I don't think so...

Let us know when you've made up your mind.

Except for a few people who learned Morse Code elsewhere, most would-be
hams don't have any prior Morse Code skill.
True ...

That exchange is rather worthless.

....to you. The statement was, however, factual.

Miccolis phrased
his statement to imply that would-be hams "must" have
morsemanship skill. Miccolis is good at such...:-)

No, Anderson, he didn't phrase it in such a way. You simply read that
into it.

If anyone wants to bother checking the numbers of NEW
radio amateur licensees - other than via the AH0A pro-
morse-uber-alles website -...

You've made a factual error. There is nothing to indicate that AH0A's
site promotes morse code or morse code testing over everything else.

...they would find that NEW
ham licensees were coming via the no-code-test Tech
class. By a ratio of five to one (give or take).

Tell us, Len: What are we to make of it--that people generally take the
easiest route to something?

The code test acts as a sort of Great Equalizer,
Absurd ... ALL that a code test does is indicate that you can copy Morse at
some specified speed. Nothing more, nothing less.

I have to call Miccolis' statement something different.
"Absurd" is too understated. It is *bull***** fresh
from the bovine enclave.

There we have it from the salty, wizened one.

because almost
everyone starts out as a clueless newbie with the mode.
True ...

Not quite, Carl. Miccolis' implication is once again
that morsemanship is the "true" measure of "ham."

That simply isn't stated, Len. You're attempting to gather information
from between the lines.

The use of the label "clueless newbie" is the sneering
look-down-the-nose from the arrogance of superiority.

You seem to worry a lot over the idea that anyone might look down his
nose at you, Len. When and if you ever obtain an amateur radio license,
you'll be a newbie, a neophyte, a novice.

Morse Code cannot be learned by simply reading a
book, visiting some websites or picking up a little bit here and
there. A newcomer cannot cut-and-paste his/her way to a
new skill, or rely on past achievements or claims to get around it.

There's that wonderful implication again...all 'true'
hams will want to learn morsemanship, that it MUST
be learned. :-)

That's not stated at all, Len. Jim's statement was factual. Nothing he
wrote is incorrect or erroneous.

It's a skill that is easily measured and cannot be faked. And it puts
a Final Authority wannabe on the same footing as a Young Squirt.

It may be precisely this equalizing effect that makes some folks want
to get rid of it.
The implication above that everything about ham radio except Morse is
"cut-and-paste" is also absurd.

Just more *bull***** from the "master", Carl. :-)

Are you critiquing your own words, Leonard? :-)

The signs are there (almost in neon brightness) of his
being 'wounded' in the great word war in here. [note his
choice of labels...:-) ]

How has Jim been wounded? Is he supposed to have been wounded by
something or a number of somethings which you've written?

I was talking night before last with Ed Hare - remember the 3 page study
guide that he had for his novice test and compare that, as he does, to the
200+ pages of "Now You're Talking" - there has been NO "dumbing down" for
entry into ham radio. How anyone could assert with honesty and a straight
face that 200+ pages of material is "dumbed down" compared to 3 pages is
something that simply is unfathomable.

"Dumbed down" = Lack of morse code skill.

That's not right, Leonard. The dumbing down has been done by reducing
the code testing speed to five words per minute for any class of HF
amateur radio license. That will soon be changed to having no morse
exam at all. The dumbing down of amateur radio includes easier
questions in the written tests and fewer questions in the written exams.

That's been how it has been used by the morseodists
in here. They equate intelligence with morsemanship.

I know many intelligent people who are not radio amateurs at all. I
know a number of intelligent people who hold amateur radio licenses
which included no Morse Code testing.

Please don't expect them to use such "intelligence" in
figuring out reality... :-(

I have some reality for you, Len: You never acted upon your
decades-long self-declared interest in amateur radio. You've not acted
upon your self-declared interest in amateur radio during the more than
one decade you've posted here. You are still not a radio amateur.

I think it's time to stop trying to attribute mythical powers to the soon to
be history Morse test. To continue only perpetuates the falsehood that
Morse skill is essential to being a good ham, capable of contributing, etc.

WHOA! *HERESY* alert! [thou defilest thy maker!]

Say 50 Hail Hirams, go thee and sin no more!

Have fun with Morse and promote it in a kind and polite way if you wish, but
please lose the attitude that Morse somehow is the measure of a "REAL ham."

Only the Food and Drug Administration determines
which are "real hams" and which are not... :-)

Tsk, to reiterate, FCC 06-178 is about morse code TESTING,
not its use.

Skip the FCC, Len. Tell us what the FDA says. :-) [Tsk, tsk and a
"poor baby" thrown in for good measure]

To Morseodists this newsgrope is all about their LOSING
their ability to "lead" amateur radio...as they've become
accustomed (with all the superiority of royalty).

Are you leading amateur radio, Len? Do you have anything to do with
leading or participating in it?

Their
fantasy world of "control" is about to collapse. Poor
things. snif snif

What difference does it make when a fantasy collapes, Len?

Not to worry, Marie A. is sending them some cake... :-)

How will she accomplish that, Len?

See IEEE Code of Ethics

Dave K8MN