On Jan 28, 4:21�pm, John Smith I wrote:
KH6HZ wrote:* ...

I suspect that if the moderators consisted of Len Anderson, Brian Burke, and
Mark Morgan, the newsgroup would be perfectly fair and equitable to all
viewpoints, right? I'm sure there would be a good balance of postings,
including posts from Extra-class operators and ARRL members.

*snicker*

73
kh6hzHA HA ...

No, but if Len were but one of the moderators, might not be so bad ...

No sweat. I can do it. Have done it. Problem is that I
could hardly post a thing. To be effective, moderators
CANNOT get into the thick of a contentious subject.

The bad blood between some here really is childish, hard to tell what is
going to finally get them to settle down and begin acting like gentlemen
again, but, has been going on far too long ...

That's true. But, these olde-tymers have "had their way"
as "superiors" that I doubt (sincerely) that they could
stop.

With the focus of this group being forced away from "code/no code" we
should be able to search out some common ground. *I think bringing out
the welcome wagon for new licensees would be a good idea.

Yes, but the "welcomes" would STILL be out of the ARRL
hymn book, unchanged.

You forget that so many hams are so into THEIR thing
that they've seldom reached out of their own experiences
to imagine How To Do It with total strangers.

For example, that hoary old schtick "Talk anywhere else
in the world on your own radio!" with a ham license.
While true, the ionosphere is not open 24/7 and folks in
far lands aren't keeping the same time as any in the 7
time zones of the USA. A little handheld cell phone
can do it, no sweat. Co$t? Much less than a fraction
of a ham station, antenna, cost and the nasty looks from
spouse or family on wasting time with ham radio.

"Learn a lifelong whatever?" Possibly for a teen-ager.
For Mr/Ms Ordinary Other Job Skill probably NOT.
One thing all these "I-learned-it-as-a-teenager" extras
forget that there isn't any set "requirement" to do it
that way. Since they kept harping on the "no age
limit" thing they've totally forgotten that it works the
OTHER way on the "age spectrum."

When you boil everything down to a slow simmer you
won't find ANY of these lofty radiomen interested in
helping others, only themselves. Everything from
collecting Titles and Certificates to Club Calls for
clubs that don't exist.

They won't step out of their Personal-Interest area to
see how other groups do it, won't acknowledge other
groups surviving, and think the world of reality is still
the same as when they were young long ago.

I don't know the "answers" to getting anyone involved.
I can - dispassionately - tell them what the amateur
radio service is supposed to be. I would rather tell
them about the wonderful opportunities in engineering
or many other technologically-oriented occupations.
It's NOT my job to "tell" these lofty "superior" amateurs
how to do it. If they were so damn "superior" they
would already KNOW. shrug

36.5,
LA