Dave Heil wrote in
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Mike Coslo wrote:
Dave Heil wrote in
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Mike Coslo wrote:
"KH6HZ" wrote in news:8wOwh.239345$fh6.215432
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Dave Heil wrote:

Yep. Nobody has an innate right to post to a newsgroup.
Or, as we summarized in our Constitutional Law class in college:

"Your right to free speech does not mean you're entitled to a
pulpit".
You remind me that there is a sizable fraction of people
in the US
who believe that there shouldn't be free speech.
That's not right, Mike. I can write letters to the editors of all
the magazines I want. None of them is obliged to print my letters.
I can stand up in the middle of a movie theater and espouse some
political opinion. I'll be escorted out. I can attempt to heckle
some politician during a speech. I'll be shown the door.

There are venues where you have a right to speak and venues where
you don't have a right to be heard.

Hi Dave,

There certainly are. But we're not talking about a person in a movie
theatre. I'd much prefer to make the decision on whether or not I
will see someone's posts than have someone else make that decision
for me.

That's fine, Mike. If you'd like to continue to post here, you may
continue to do so. I have no doubt that you'd be able to post
anything you've posted in the past to the moderated group.

Possibly. I think I really p****d off one of the moderators though.
He was responding to every off topic post with orders to not reply to
the posts. I ended up telling him that he was every bit as bad as the
sicko's. I expect that he might find problems with my posts. I wouldn't
have much recourse, I suppose. Whatever.


And there lies the major problem. Those strange folk that live near
you are an obvious censor target, as well as those folk who were
posting a gazillion flames to each other the last year or so. But
what about the moderator who simply doesn't like another person.

What about him or her? Are you saying that you believe that the
moderators would be likely to not pass through a post base upon not
liking someone?

I've heard of that.


As an example, Cecil
and Len are in some people's killfiles.

Okay. I certainly understand why one of them might be. Mark is in my
killfile.

But I enjoy both of them very
much. I would assume that anyone who would put Len in a killfile
would also censor his posts.

I'm not following your logic. I think it is likely that many of Len's
posts wouldn't make it in the moderated group--not because of who he
is, but because he can't control himself.

That is part of the problem. Len has called me a few things in the
past - one of my favorites is the "fifth wheel on the four morsemen of
the apocolypse". But frankly when he does th einsult thing, I almost
always laugh. His humor and approach is caustic. But I can handle that.

I have to imagine that you do too. I mean you don't take this stuff
seriously, do you. I imagine that you enjoy th everbal dueling that you
two do. Sure the old bp might raise for a second or two , but it's good
fun.


Those "anyones" could be moderators. And Cecil is
an enjoyable person to spar with on occasion, as well as a source of
knowledge.

Cecil is going to be one of the moderators. You think the other
moderators are going to stop his posts?

There are people who have him killfiled in rraa. Cecil really loves
a good argument and is pretty tenacious. A lot of people don't likr
that.


Heck, I just looked at my bozo bin, and I have a couple
hundred
people in there at least. I'm a censoring junkie. One weird post
about what some guy wants to do to another guy earns a permanent trip
to the bin.

That's not easy. Some of these guys change their posting names all of
the time. Even Mark has oodles of names he posts under.

Ain't that the truth. But I fugured that with 4 keystrokes, I could
eliminate any one of his different names. I can do that with a lot less
effort than he can sign up for new accounts.

Why the heck would anyone do that, anyhow?


But I'm deciding what shows up on my screen. Others may want
other
people to decide what they see or don't see. Sheeple.

Post here. You can make all of the decisions you like. I don't know
why you feel that you have to limit yourself to the moderated group.

Of course. Don't confuse me with the people who are worried that
they won't be able to carry on their tirades because of moderation. I
just have some philosophical problems with moderation. I've seen it
strangle groups.

Hence my stance that there is a sizable number of people who
believe that free speech is a nuisance.

You can find all sorts of free speech on this and other newsgroups.
Look at what some people choose to do with their right of free speech.
I can go to all sorts of places where I limit my right of free
speech--the theater I wrote of, a courtroom, a church, a school, a
public ceremony. There are also situations where someone's right of
free speech infringes my rights.

Honestly, what would you do if you didn't have Len to fight
with? I
suspect you would get bored and eventually stop posting.

If and when the moderated group comes into play, I doubt you'll see me
post here. According to Len, his time here is coming to an end
anyway. I don't need Leonard Anderson to make me complete.

Okay. I find it a little surprising though. Most people who stand
toe to toe with another person in newsgroups do it because they like it.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -