RadioBanter - View Single Post - Will "no code" license result in meaningful growth?

Dave Heil · February 4th 07, 05:39 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sat, 03 Feb
2007 19:32:42 GMT

wrote:
On Feb 2, 8:09?pm, wrote:
On Feb 2, 10:16?pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:

What does amateur radio not offer now that it once did?
One example: First on the scene with emergency
mobile communications.
In the 1950's, I was the fifth person to arrive
upon the scene of a severe auto accident and the
first one with mobile communications with which
to call for help.
Nowadays, the first four people would have cell
phones. Even if I were the first on the scene,
I would use my cell phone, not my mobile ham rig.
I've been in that situation too, Cecil, and a lot more recently than
the 1950s.
Oh? Was that when you served the country in your
"other ways?"

You are so intimate with Miccolis that you speak for him?

Allow me to paraphrase Leonard Anderson and advise you that this is a
public newsgroup where anyone may respond to any post.

Miccolis, as usual, INFERRED something but never supplied
any details. Inference is NOT fact.

You aren't quoting Jim correctly and you know it.

That fine example of the modern American amateur extra,
Steven James Robeson was doing that for years. Never
supplied ANY true, references of HIS involvement.

Let's face it, Len. You don't know if Steve's statements are accurate
or not. Confirmation of his USMC service can easily be found on the
web. Did you ever find it?

That
is like another who INFERRED combat experience "in a
country at war," yet never supplied any references to
same.

References? I need to supply you references?

Let's review facts, shall we? I served *in* Vietnam, a country which
was at war during my service. I drew combat pay for the entire period
of that Vietnam service.

I've never been very specific with you about my Vietnam service because
I've seen the kind of things you have done to others.

Bull****. Rhymes with bluffing.

No, Len, the two don't rhyme. I've done no bluffing at all.

You never did much in
Vietnam therefore you don't have any details to supply.

I could supply you with plenty of details. I've advised that you could
easily find almost exactly what I did elsewhere on the internet. Look
for it or not, I don't care.

You were never in combat against the Viet Cong...

Fact: You have no idea what I did in Vietnam.

...and at
best, got into barracks brawls.

No, Leonard, I was never even in a barracks shoving match.

It's the Robesin syndrome.
You are just a clone of Robesin.

No, Len, I've never met the man. We aren't related by genetics.

I know exactly what I did in Japan, have even made available
a publicly-accessible photo essay on it...plus made a
publicly-available digital copy of what my Signal Battalion
produced a few years after I was returned to the States.

And?

I am still in contact with both civilian and military
personnel who worked at the same signal facilities I did and
at the same time.

And? Do you believe yourself to be the only person on the planet who
maintains contact with those he served with in the military?

That's not INFERRING anydamnthing.

Who said it was?

It is history. It is FACT. It has been reviewed by people
that were there and no "faults" or "mistakes" were found.

My service, like yours, is also history and fact. The big difference is
that I haven't shared my history with you. Now what?

I've done no
boasting about my service in Southeast Asia and have not gotten into
specifics.

You said you were "in a country at war."

Yes, I wrote that because it is fact.

So were millions
of other military NON-combatants.

I understand that there were others in Vietnam. I never claimed to be
the only person serving there.

You were a REMF.

You simply don't know that. You don't have any information. We can see
what you do without facts and we know what you've written about others
when you have a few facts.

I've never claimed any heroics nor have I described any
artillery barrages.

USAF enlisted personnel seldom trained for artillery
spotting and only commissioned officers were forward
observers for air strikes. I was given training as an
artillery spotter in addition to doing regular Signal Corps
duties.

I'm happy for you, Len. You never put that into practice.

"Provisional Infantry Platoon" training in basic
fighting skills was standard practice in the US Army
during the 1950s, involving all those NOT in the "line"
outfits (infantry, artillery, armor).

You never put that into practice. You weren't serving in a war zone.

How much military training has Miccolis received?

He hasn't told me. I don't suppose that he has told you either.

Answer: NONE.

You don't know that.

He's never even served his government
as a civilian.

You don't know that either.

He wants to "lecture me" on how I
treat REAL military veterans?

I think he can observe your actions here.

He thinks he is "better"
than those who served in the military.

I don't believe that to be true and you can't know that it is true.

Maybe your
romance with him is going sour?

You're directing this kind of talk to the wrong r.r.a.p. participant.

You are the individual who made the now famous sphincter post about what
it was like to undergo an artillery barrage, except that you were never
in an artillery barrage.

It is "famous" only in that you choose to highlight it. But,
you should have used the proper word - INFAMOUS.

The word "infamous" works well. I'll be happy to highlight it if Jim
ever forgets to highlight it.

Factual error, minus one point for Heil.

I made no factual error there, Len.

I was learning how to DIRECT artillery fall as an artillery
forward observer. Training. When one battery goofs and a
six rounds fall mistakenly within a couple hundred yards of
an observer team, one KNOWS what it must feel like to
enemies.

This is your third variant in the fantasy tale. In the first, you
describe a combat experience. More recently you've told us that another
soldier told you what it was like. Now we have this training scenario.

That includes the cadre who were regular
artillerymen. They were definitely NOT happy with what
happened.

....or so you were told.

Another factual error of Heil's, now at two negative points.

What's the factual error--not being able to tell the difference between
versions one, two and three?

That ties in nicely with your posts over a ten year period here.
You rant about getting into amateur radio but you've
never gotten into amateur radio or even tried to do so.

You don't believe my PDF on Hal Hallikainen's website is
factual? Have you any proof that it is false? Can you
testify to that in a court of law? Or are you just testy?

I moved the "You rant about getting into amateur radio but you've never
gotten into amateur radio or even tried to do so" portion of my quote
text back to where it belongs to illustrate the lengths you'll go to in
order to create diversion, to pretend that my words were about something
else. You tale about the artillery barrage you were never in relates to
the amateur radio service you were never in.

I've stated in the beginning in here, and continuously
up to now that my purpose was the advocacy of elimination
of the code test for a license.

So? Who asked you?

No more, no less.

Now you've told a deliberate falsehood, Len. It has never been less,
but it has mostly been much, much more.

You
and other bluffmanship extras kept inferring it was
otherwise.

I'm not familiar with the term "bluffmanship extras". What does it mean
to you? Did you mean to use the term "Extras." If so, what does the
term "bluffmanship" convey?

FCC 06-178 is a "go for launch." It WILL
HAPPEN. Code test go bye-bye. Very, very soon.

And?

Big 5-point Bonus Factual Error on Heil's part, score now
at -7.

I made no error. I didn't make a statement about Morse Code testing.
Are you feeling alright, Len?

You rant about getting into amateur radio but you've
never gotten into amateur radio or even tried to do so.

"Rant?!?" :-) Ooooo! Ooooo!

Yes, Len, you often rant.

BIG 25-POINT FACTUAL ERROR! [Heil now at -32!]

I made no error, Len.

Tsk, tsk, tsk...WTF do you think my GETTING INTO big
time HF comms was?

It was not about getting into amateur radio. It was a story you've told
countless times here, but it was not about getting into amateur radio.

Three years worth of 24/7 comms,
long-haul stuff...

Great, Len. A number of us have experience with long haul HF
communications for periods of much longer than three years.

*NO* "license" or morse code skill
required.

Right, 'cuz it wasn't about getting into amateur radio.

Did you think a single test sitting for a
First Radiotelephone (Commercial) license was an easy
thing that one could just waltz through?!? In 1956.
90-mile train trip to Chicago (no snow, no hills, kept
shoes on during that March trip).

Nope. That isn't about getting into amateur radio either.

Riiiight...you consider a whole working career in
electronics (including "radio"), relying on a paycheck
for food and shelter to be a NOTHING...

No, Len, I've never said it is NOTHING or even nothing. It isn't about
getting into amateur radio.

...compared to the
almighty high-rate-morse-tested amateur extra rank-
status-privilege you puff out your chest about?

I didn't compare any of it to obtaining an amateur radio license, Len.
YOU keep trying to tie all of that in somehow.

Wow,
all that from an EX-federally-employed State Department
"veteran" who got to be Mr. DX complete with living
accomodations.

I'm sorry that it bothers you that my work permitted me to operate from
some rare spots. The house came with the job. I don't know why that
should bother you.

Riiiight...we real workers in the
electronics industry are all pikers in your pointy
little mind, couldn't possibly be as saintly as you
pensioners.

You have a real inferiority complex, don't you? I never wrote anything
like the stream-of-conciousness rambling that you provided but it is
there in your head, isn't it?

To you the real Pros must seem less than
****, worse than river-bottom slime, right?

I'm no less the "real pro" than you, Leonard. I also managed to obtain
the amateur radio license.

Sweaty, my 1951 high school yearbook has a mention of
"work done towards amateur radio." In real ink on
real paper. Wanna see? Wanna shove it up yer bum?

Are you losing control of yourself, Len?

After the ignorance of adolescence I got into the REAL
world.

That's what we all do after adolescence, Len. It isn't unique to you.

Realized that AMATEUR radio was a HOBBY, not
the "profession" that so many want to imagine in their
own fantasies.

I don't know of any radio amateur who is under the illusion that amateur
radio is a profession. Interestingly, the FCC nevers refers to amateur
radio as a hobby.

Now, a HOBBY is a fine thing. I am still fascinated
by "radio" (a subset of the larger, miraculous
technology of ELECTRONICS). I stay aware and informed
about as much as I can and, once in a while, do some
work for actual money!

You say that a hobby is a fine thing. You post for over ten years to an
amateur radio newsgroup. Yet you are not a licensed radio amateur.
That's very, very odd.

That limits what I've been doing
for a hobby for over a half century (the last 42 years in
my center-of-the-house workshop, rebuilt to that by me).
No sweat. It's all enjoyable.

You've created a self-limiting atmosphere. If it makes you happy, I say
continue to the end of your days, Len.

Why do you think you are so double-damned "important"
that you can act so arrogant, bossy, and self-righteous
in here?

Let me turn that around for you, Len. You act arrogant, bossy and
self-righteous here and you aren't even involved in amateur radio.
You're a non-participant in amateur radio.

Amateur radio is basically a HOBBY.

What does the FCC call it, Len?

"Radio"
technology is neither a secret to nor separate from
all other radio services in the USA.

The Amateur Radio Service is separate from all other radio services in
the U.S.A. Amateur radio is not only about radio technology.

The FCC doesn't
restrict communications from ONLY amateurs about the
amateur radio service. It doesn't restrict ANY citizen
from commenting on ANY US civil radio service. Got
that, pale rider?

You've commented. You still are not a part of amateur radio.
Got that, wizened geezer?

After 23 Feb 07 there will be NO requirements for
morse code skill to obtain ANY amateur radio license.

I knew that.

Yet you just can't get it, can you?

I got it.

Your years of
posturing and preening as the mighty macho morseman
"masters" are of NO value except to you and other
pale riders of the Four Morsemen of the Apolcalypse.

My life isn't going to change over this, Leonard. I'll still do all of
the things I've been doing. I still won't run into you on the amateur
bands.

Do you have your finger on the pulse of amateur radio, Leonard?

No...

Precisely.

...only what the ARRL and a handful of other ham radio
websites show.

That's pretty limiting, don't you think?

The ARRL is, or very shortly will be,
in a crisis condition on memberships. They need the
members to sustain their proof-of-readership so that
they can sell ad space in QST to keep it alive. Their
large publication and re-sell business side of the
house is making all the cash that sustains their "free"
services for members.

There is nothing to indicate that your scenario is based in fact. There
simply aren't many free services from the ARRL, Len. It charges
additional fees for most things. The DXCC program used to cost the
League quite a bit of money. I think it is largely, if not completely
self-sustaining these days. That's simply one example. There are
numerous others.

If I want fairy stories all I need to do is tickle one
of the self-righteous, self-defined "experts in radio"
(morsemen all) to hear fairy stories about the "service
to the nation" of hamateur radio.

Oh, that's right, you're some sort of puppet master and we all dance to
your tune. ;-) We been hYPnO-tIZeD!

Lord knows they want
to spout that **** often enough in here without
provocation.

No one has spouted more deliberate distortion and untruths in this
newsgroup regarding the state of amateur radio than you, Len.

If I want REAL information on US amateur radio, I can
go to dozens of friends and acquaintences, people I
KNOW, have worked with, are friends in-person, not the
pseudo-friendship of on-line-only familiarity.

I can think of only a few pseudo-friends you have here in the newsgroup,
Leonard. I don't care for you at all. Your circle of friends and
acquaintances seems to have grown since the last telling.

They
will level with me.

Maybe they will. Maybe they won't. Maybe some of them are simply
pseudo-friends.

YOU will NOT.

I've leveled with you very often, Len. You didn't like it.

You never have.

There's another factual error on your part.

Of course you are! C'mon out with the "real reasons."
Gotta love all those code-tested knowitalls. :-)
One who has passed a Morse Code exam or an amateur radio written exam
has done one more thing than you've done.

Ooooo! Oooooo! I guess you think you "really told me"
dintcha? :-)

I knew it'd never sink in.

I've never gotten a Masters degree, never gotten a PhD,
never breast-fed an infant, never put on women's clothing,
never done a cylinder replacement on a car engine, never
cured cancer, never climbed Mt. Everest, never tried out
to be an astronaut, never flew an ultra-light, never
"pioneered the (radio) airwaves" in the 1930s, never did
hang-gliding, never ran a marathon, never stood watch
on 500 KHz as a coastie, never "slept with" a man, never
got divorced, never ran away from a good fight.

Now you can add to your list!

Wanna call me a "failure?!?"

I think there are things in which you've been a success, Len and I
believe that there are things in which you've been a failure.
Additionally, there are things you've failed to do. Now I don't know if
you ever boasted that you'd lick cancer in a week or climb Everest
blindfolded. You did boast seven years back of getting the "Extra right
out of the box". It hasn't happened. You never even tried.

Wanna pick up those
teeth of yours littering the floor? :-)

Since I know your age, I'll agree that you mean the smiley in this instance.

You're still sitting on the
sidelines, telling us which play the coach *should* have sent in.

"Telling YOU something?" IMPOSSIBLE! Nobody can tell
YOU what you don't want to hear.

....or that which I know to be false or specious.

"Sidelines:" Attempt at a metaphor.

Yes, an attempt and a success.

A typical football
(American version) is a hundred yards long, narrow.
But, it is bordered by THE REST OF THE WORLD! 99+
percent of all the rest of the world ARE on the "sidelines!"

99+ percent of the world don't post to this newsgroup, claim that they
know best how to regulate U.S. amateur radio, denigrate and insult radio
amateurs, denigrate and insult the ARRL and boast that they're going to
get an "Extra right out of the box".

I live in the real world.

There's not any really solid indication that your statement is factual.
You still seem to think that you are somehow involved, that you're
"one of the guys" in amateur radio. The name "Walter Mitty" comes to
mind when I think of you.

Not some closed, private little
enclave of dreamers thinking They are some kind of
masters of radio.

None of them have ever written of themselves as "masters of radio" or
"gods of radio". You've done so.

Little men.

The little men have done something you haven't done. They'll continue
to do so long after you've gone.

Pretenders at being
professional as amateurs. Oxymoronic.

None have claimed that they are "professional as amateurs". Certainly
none have claimed to be "pretenders at being professional as amateurs".
Sure, it's an oxymoron. It is YOUR oxymoron.

Brain damage
from lack of honest oxygen, turning into moronic mumblers
about "superiority."

Sure, Len, we all sit around breathing that dishonest oxygen when we
aren't breathing regular air.

Keep your mighty Rank-Status-Titles as long as you can.

There are always folks better at something than others. There are
always folks who can meet the established requirements for partaking in
an endeavor and there are those who can't.

It seems to be all you have...besides bigotry and
sociopathy rampant in your clan and sept.

I told you that you don't know me. You have precious little in the way
of fact.

Little man.

I'm a large man, Len and I've stomped the old terra. I've enjoyed 43
years of amateur radio and I plan to enjoy another decade or two.

I'm not pained to see that you won't be joining in on the fun.

FU,

WVU

Dave K8MN