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Dave Heil · February 6th 07, 10:03 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:16:22 GMT

wrote:

You would have to meet the same amateur radio licensing
requirements as anyone else before you'd be issued an amateur license.

I've not said anything to the contrary.

Then why do you continue to trot out gibberish about your commercial
license? Of what relevance is it?

The LAW is
quite clear enough on the issue of civil US radio.
You seem confused as to the differences of LAW and
your imaginings.

On the contrary, I'm not the individual who continues to mention his
commercial radio license. You are that guy.

YOU are NOT any law official. You are merely officious.

Did you order your amateur radio operator badge yet?

[The comment below was my response to Len's asking why he needs an
amateur radio license]

I'll try to make this as uncomplicated as I can, Len:
You would be able to operate an amateur radio station in the amateur bands.

I am quite able to "operate an amateur radio station."
With or without a license. You failed (once more) to
make your point that it would be ILLEGAL to operate
AS IF one were a licensed radio amateur if no US amateur
radio license had been granted to that operator.

You might have been the only person who didn't understand what I wrote,
Len. Good luck in finding a control op who'll allow you to play radio
amateur.

Any radio operator license does NOT automatically
ENABLE anyone to "operate an amateur radio station."
ABILITY of anyone to "operate an amateur radio station"
has nothing at all to do with licensing. The license
is merely an AUTHORIZATION by the US federal government
to operate.

Fine, Leonard. You aren't authorized. Happy?

Do you understand the definition as it has
been explained to you? If not, the court will appoint
a dictionary to assist you.

Are you a court, Len? A librarian?

As interesting as I find your statement, one who expresses interest in
amateur radio, haunts an amateur radio newsgroup and boast that he is
going to get the top license immediately must have found a reason to
obtain an amateur radio license.

No "BOAST" was ever made.

Sure it was, Len--by you. Want to see it again? I'll be happy to post
the entire message so you won't be able to claim that it was taken out
of context or that it was simply a comment or that it was a throwaway line.

I do not "HAUNT."

You might want to check things out then. There's been some guy
impersonating you here on r.r.a.p.

I may
PLAY at being a ghost on Halloween...and have. Boooo!

You like to play at being one of the gang here. See-kyoooooo.

I "express an interest" in ALL radio.

Great. This isn't an all radio newsgroup.

So much so
that I made electronics and radio a life career early-
on, despite having an aptitude for (called "talent")
and experience IN commercial illustration ("art" where
the artist draws/paints/inks things as they really are).

This isn't a commercial how-much-do-I-get-paid radio newsgroup nor is it
a commercial art newsgroup. Why the misdirection, tap dancing and smoke
and mirrors?

Why do YOU attempt constant "haunting" of anyone who
does not agree with your mighty claims and boasts of
"radio operation" to/from faraway lands?

If I've boasted of anything, Len, I've done it.

Why not tell us what you perceived your need to be?

Why indeed?

If you've not identified a need, you'll likely never obtain an amateur
radio license. You've wasted ten years here and I'm getting closer to
being prescient.

Have you understood my previous explanations
as I've explained them to you? If not, the court will
appoint a psychiatrist to assist you.

Are you a court, Len?

Belonging to
an "exclusive community?" Dozens of ways to do
that anywhere in this country.

You could live in a gated community with country club privileges.

I live (in the southern house) back-yard to back-yard
with a gated community called "Montelena." 44 homes
built on 15 acres of what was undeveloped wilderness.
That community has NO "country club" there.

It doesn't matter. You aren't "in" there and you aren't "in" amateur
radio. Living next to a gated community doesn't meet your dozens of
ways to belong to an exclusive community.

You
could wear Gucci loafers and sip Campari in an ultra-expensive night
spot.

? Is that one of your "requirements" for amateur radio?

Is that what you meant when your wrote of the dozens of ways to belong
to an exclusive community?

Strange. Strange.

You most certainly are.

You cold live in an area which fights tooth and nail to prevent
zoning changes which would change the neighborhood or you could belong
to that very exclusive group of newsgroup crackpots which plagues groups
in which it does not participate.

Are you suffering from a plague? See medical assistance as
soon as possible!

You aren't funny, Len.

Are you suffering from plaque? Seek dental assistance as
soon as possible.

You aren't funny, Len.

"Fighting tooth and nail?" No nails were used in the attempt
to change a local zoning board ruling, just the democratic
processes of the neighborhood getting together (also meeting
at the local church), petitioning, then speaking before the
zoning commission in public. Neither were "teeth" involved.
See your dentist regularly for better oral hygience. That
will help keep your dentures in place when you snarl and
grimace so much. Especially when you boil over and shout.

Sure, the democratic process of making sure that your exclusive little
community remained exclusive.

That SINGLE LOCAL zoning incident resulted in a change from
residential single-family homes to residential multiple
family (apartments, condos, etc) homes. The gated community
you and Miccolis refer to is the "Montelena" I mentioned
above...which has only single-family homes now. Nothing
whatsoever in that alleged "tooth and nail" debate involved
any "radio" subjects, not even TV cable or satellite down-
link, certainly not amateur radio antenna installations.

Your dozens of ways to belong to an exclusive community didn't mention
radio or amateur radio. You simply snipped your own comment and began
drifting. I put your statement back so others could note your attempt.

Now, if your parroting Miccolis MANUFACTURED moral-ethical
"fault" would stop we might all learn to get along.

Jim provided a perfectly valid analogy. You didn't like it a single
bit. You'd have betters odds of getting along if you changed your
behavior and acted like an adult.

That was
NOT a "radio" issue of any kind. It had absolutely NOTHING
to do with "radio," either amateur or commercial.

No, it didn't. It didn't have to have anything to do with radio to be a
valid analogy. Did I mention that you didn't like it one little bit?

Do you
understand those explanations as they have been given you?
If not the court will appoint a two-by-four to lay across
your head at no cost to you.

Are you a court, Len? Are you going to try to lay a 2 x 4 across my head?

Then you might have misdirected your haunting of newsgroups.

Tsk. You don't have a ghost of a chance of understanding
anything but "professional amateurism," do you? :-)

There isn't any "professional amateurism", Len. :-) :-)

Perhaps
to be able to "sign" an amateur station call sign
behind their name? That's a misuse of honors, a
copy-catting of pretend significance, of puffing
out enlarged egos. Passing any amateur radio
test is NOT any sort of academic achievement.

It isn't up to you to worry over someone who uses his amateur radio
callsign, Len.

NO "worrying" was done. :-) A high degree of persistence
in advocacy of eliminating the morse code test from
license testing done over a period greater than two
decades was done.

You're drifting again, Leonard. What has that to do with your comments
about how radio amateurs use their callsigns?

That was just a POLITICAL matter that
was finally settled by FCC 06-178 released on 15 Dec 06.

What has that to do with how radio amateurs choose to use their
callsigns, Len?

Do you understand those explanations as they've been
explained to you?

I'm still trying to figure out how they relate to amateur radio ops
using their callsigns.

If not the court will appoint someone
of sound mind to attempt making you understand.

Are you a court, Len? Are you of sound mind?

You aren't involved.

Yes, I was quite involved. FCC 06-178 resulted on the
part of thousands who "involved" themselves in making
their lawful comments to the US federal government.
The code test for any class amateur radio license in the
USA will be GONE very soon. Do you understand FCC
Reports and Orders as they've been explained to you?
If not, the court will appoint a federal attorney to
explain the Consitution of the US and basic civics to
you.

What has that to do with how radio amateurs use their callsigns. How
are you involved in that?

Your plaintive cries over pretend
significance and enlarged egos are those of an outsider shouting, "but
look at what I've done!"

I've never worked Frenchmen out of band.

You've never been a radio amateur. It isn't unusual to someone to run
into a foreign or domestic scofflaw.

I've never had
to "synchronize teleprinters" by means of on-off keying
morse code in the 1980s.

You still don't have it right, Leonard. Maybe Google can help.

I've never served in the State
Department...

Precisely. That never stopped you from telling me what my job was or
how I should have done it.

...and bragged about BEING "DX."

I never bragged about being DX either, Len. I was DX during six
different foreign postings. I didn't boast that I was going to be DX
and then not follow through. See the difference?

Your continuing PRETENSE at being a near-equivalent god of
radio through amateurism has been duly noted. By all
readers of this newsgroup.

You don't speak for all readers of this newsgroup. I've never pretended
to be a god of radio or even a near-equivalent of a god of radio.
In fact, I've corrected you a number of times. You've been confused a
number of times, first saying that I was a god of radio then stating
that I'm not a god of radio. Now we have you issuing a statement that I
have a pretense of being a near-equivalent through amateurism.

You've never been able to make up your mind.

You are able to have all of the fun you are capable of having by
tinkering with electronics.

"Tinkering?" :-)

Sure, Len. You're a radio hobbyist. You said so.

A working career that included duties
of responsible project engineer is just "tinkering?!?" :-)

You told us that you're a radio hobbyist. That doesn't involve a
working career.

That isn't amateur radio, but why let that
bother you?

"Amateur" is a regulatory definition of one who engages
in an activity WITHOUT monetary compensation.

If the word "radio" doesn't appear, how is it a regulatory definition?

That is
ALSO the definition of a HOBBY. HOBBY.

What does the FCC say amateur radio is, Len? I've asked you three
times, but you don't seem to know how to respond.

LICENSED amateur radio is what you should have written.

Amateur radio is amateur radio, Len. There is no need to add the word
"licensed". There is no other kind of amateur radio.

LICENSED, AUTHORIZED by the only civil radio regulatory
agency of the United States government.

I understand what an amateur radio license is, Len. You don't have one.

Have you under-
stood the definitions as they were explained to you?
If not, the court may appoint a bailiff to place you
under arrest until medical science has come up with an
explanation for your serious mental confusion.

Are you a court, Len? Are you going to arrest me?

Lots of folks who aren't radio amateurs enjoy electronics.

...and you think ALL of them are monetarily compensated if
they do not have federal authorization to transmit RF on
certain bands with certain modulation modes according to
federal regulations? Not so.

Why no, Len, I don't think that. They aren't called radio amateurs.
An interest in electronics doesn't make one an amateur radio op.

See? That is your extreme CONFUSION. You mistakenly
label "radio amateurs" as ONLY the "licensed."

No, Len, I didn't write that. The confusion seems to be in the Anderson
home comm center--where the same message was transmitted twice.

Your EGO
has given way to logic and reason...but, then, everyone
has already seen that...

You aren't wrapped too tightly, Len.

Is that sig of yours a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend
significance?

My end-of-message IDENTIFICATION is merely an E-MAIL
FORWARDING ALIAS. See the header "From" line. My
professional association (IEEE, 34 years) provides
that forwarding alias free of charge to all IEEE
Members. That one-way forwarding alias includes some
"spam" filtering as an extra "filter" to remove
unwanted advertising e-mail. Such a forwarding
alias in little different than that used by the ARRL
for amateur radio members, conveying no more
significance than any other forwarding alias.

But, according to your logic, the use of such a callsign by a radio
amateur for purposes other than to identify an amateur radio station
would be "a misuse of honors or a copycatting of pretend significance."

Do you understand this e-mail forwarding definition as
it has been explained to you?

No, I don't, Leonard.

If not, the court will
appoint yet another dead horse for you to beat upon.

Don't trouble yourself, Judge Anderson, you'll do just fine.

Dave K8MN