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Leo · February 8th 07, 10:26 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

On 8 Feb 2007 09:56:23 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 8, 8:56?am, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 16:41:37 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 7, 7:03?pm, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote:

On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote:

...nothing but evasive drivel.

Entire post skipped!

Leo, I think you realized that I have
seen through your cunning plan,

What cunning plan?

and was not trapped by it. But
rather than admit that I have outsmarted
you, my post is labeled "evasive drivel"
and snipped.

Isn't it?

No.

I repeat the relevant question:

If I give you one example of a factual error
that Len has made in the past few days, but which I have not yet
corrected, will you agree that I have proved my point?

Of course - so long as it predates my original post!

Ah - so you add a condition!

An obvious condition, considering that my post referred to your
activities which preceeded it!

A condition you added at the last possible moment.

....a condition which existed since my first post - obviously!

Just keeping you honest.....

When have I ever been less than honest?

Heh.

Nevertheless, it's a simple task to find an uncorrected factual error
in Len's postings here.

Scroll back up this thread to January 30. See the post Len made at
7:56 PM (at least, that's the time Google lists.

In that long, long post, Len says:

""CB" came into being in 1958."

But that's incorrect. By a whole decade.

Hmmm - I don't believe that one qualifies, Jim.

It does. Len got the date wrong, that's all. A simple factual error.

Not really. The band that most people would refer to as "CB" did
indeed come along in 1958.

he concept of the
'Citizen's Band' dates back to 1945 - but the allocation was way up in
the UHF bands, where radio equipment for the average 'citizen' was
quite impractical, due to the the technology of the time (both size
and cost of the transceiving equipment would have been enormous!.

That's your opinion.

Not just mine....check out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens'_band_radio

....for starters.

The facts are that "CB" was created at least a decade before 1958.
There was type-accepted CB equipment on the market in 1948. There were
several manufacturers making and selling UHF CB equipment before 1958,
and it was being bought and used. There were even handhelds for UHF
CB.

How many were in use? If it wasn't used, did it exist? (Practically
or in theory only?)?

Probably the best known example was the Vocaline transceiver, which
was small, simple, rugged, relatively low cost and easy to use.

How many were in use?? And I'll bet that owners of that equipment
were less than amused when the band was reallocated! (both owners,
that is...

other words, it existed in regulations only, but was virtually
unusable for its intended purpose by the general public it was
designed to serve.

It did not "exist in regulations only". How usable it was is a matter
of opinion.

....the FCC may differ with that opinion - they reallocated the band to
make it accessible!

But the usability or popularity of pre-1958 CB is not the issue. The
fact is that Len got the date for the creation of CB wrong.

He's wrong again? Wow!

The "Citizen's Band" that exists to this day, in the 27 MHz band, does
indeed date back to 1958.

Yes, it does. But CB was not created in 1958.

Practical CB was, though.

You could also argue that radio broadcasting was begun when Fessenden
made his Christmas transmissions to ships at sea......(in '06, IIRC).
That would be silly, though - as virtually no one possessed the
equipment to receive the broadcast.

A boadcast? Technically, yes. But practically - no.

If a tree falls in the woods.....etc.

27 MHz CB is sometimes referred to as "Class D" CB. IIRC, Class C CB
refers to 27 MHz radio control.

But Class A and Class B CB refer to UHF CB, and predate 1958 by at
least a decade.

That is indeed true, but was a failure - corrected in '58 with the
Class D allocation.

I'd say he was right on this one, from a practical point of view.

Of course you would say that. But you'd be mistaken.

I'm wrong too? Say it ain't so, Joe!

My point is proved.

Not yet!

Yes, it is. The fact is that CB was created at least ten years before
1958. What band it was on, and how popular it was are immaterial - the
radio service known as CB wasn't created in 1958.

Those are the facts.

Are they? You're wrong!

....sorry, couldn't resist

Those are the facts only if you count a failed experiment in 1945 -
which was corrected in 1958, and continues to this day!

There are shades of gray too, Sherlock!

73 de Jim, N2EY

73, Leo