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Dave Heil · February 9th 07, 04:43 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

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On Feb 9, 2:17�am, "
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From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:49:50 -0500

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From: Leo on Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:35:00 -0500
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From: Leo on Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:03:16 -0500
On 7 Feb 2007 15:29:04 -0800, wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:40?pm, Leo wrote:
On 7 Feb 2007 03:25:23 -0800, wrote:
� �With some the 'box' looks so pretty unopened that they
� �never do remove the pretty wrappings. �shrug

You mean like the box your license is in?

Len has some experience with unopened boxes. It's been seven years now.

The A and B classes dies a horrible death because - they were'nt
useable by the target audience. �Sure, there were transceivers
available for 450 MHz in 1945 - but they would have cost big bucks,
and been massive beasts as well. (as Ptoooey so aptly points out,
there were handheld units available for these frequencies in the
'50's, but they would have required King Kong's hand to hold them! And
King Kon's wallet to buy them, as well.....) .
� �Well he said, assuming a serious mien there was ONE
� �"simple" 400+ MHz transceiver...el cheapo modulated
� �oscillator cum super-regen detector. �Forgot who made
� �it but it was really cheap in everything inside. �

Do you mean the Vocaline unit?

There were others.

Google "Al Gross".

I had
� �gotten one free from another who wanted to set up a
� �link down in Inglewood, CA. �It would reach, at best,
� �a mile and a half. �That was in the later 1950s and
� �the UHF bow-tie and reflector aluminum wires had
� �already started to crystalize enough to snap off easily.
� �Still had it when I moved into this house in 1963 but
� �the steel chassis and steel cabinet were so rusty I just
� �tossed it a year later. �:-(

But, because there was a regulation in place that said "Citizen's
Band" (regardless of whether it was usable by the "citizens' without
exorbuiant expense and superhuman effort), then CB must have existed
in 1945.

So Len was wrong. Thanks for admitting that.

� �Not quite. �Our FCC was struggling mightily with all
� �sorts of post-WW2 regulation, radio service changes
� �back then...and preparing for the onslaught of TV in
� �gorgeous black and white. �FM broadcast was about to
� �move to double its pre-WW2 frequencies and the various
� �public safety agencies wanted to get to "low band"
� �(30 to 50 MHz) and, maybe, "mid band" (150 to about
� �160 MHz). �It would seem that the original US Citizens
� �Band on UHF was a sort-of afterthought. �Manufacturers
� �started to lobby for lower frequencies in this tube-
� �only era and the post-WW2 FCC looked at the amateur
� �"11m" band (not an International allocation) and the
� �rest was history. �Radio-wise, the fit hit the shan
� �after 1958 with all sorts of different radio services
� �wanting this and that plus the electronics industry
� �had to step in to stop the color TV "war" between
� �CBS Labs and RCA (neither one would have been
� �suitable). �Our FCC was barely keeping up with the
� �changes everywhere. �Again, "CB" was an afterthought
� �radio service and NOBODY really anticipated the surge
� �in off-shore design and production that would flood
� �N. America by a decade later.

So you admit, Len, that FCC did indeed create CB long before 1958.

Thanks for owning up to your earlier factual error.

Len tells us that the UHF CB frequencies were an afterthought. Yet the
Commission later chose frequencies which could not have been much worse
for local communications in offering the 27 MHz channels. CB operators
almost immediately began violating the regs governing their licenses.

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btw, Len old chap:

The number of Technician class amateur licenses has never exceeded the
number of licenses of all other amateur license classes combined. You
were wrong on that too, some days back.

Thanks a heap.

Len makes a great many factual errors.

Dave K8MN