Moonlight Mile wrote:
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"wf3h" wrote:

ever hear of the bigotry of low expectations? you refuse to
acknowledge the inherent fascism of islam. you simply can't believe
the dune coons could be intelligent enough to invent such an idea.

Or the bigotry of unrealistic, high expectations?

how about the reality of EQUAL expectations? that concept seems to be
alien to your fundamentalist way of thinking.

Now, use of the term "dune
coons", especially in the context you use it, _is_ rascist.

absolutely. it's the way you think. i just leave the dead cats on the
doorstep.

You are white,
middle or upper-middle class

now let me see...son of a pittsburgh steel worker...laid off 3 times
in last 5 years as semiconductor industry collapsed

IOW you've more more cliches than brains, which helps to explain the
way you (don't) think.


, probably have not read a variety of opinions, talk
only to people you already agree with. You learn more by talking to people you
disagree with, if they are reasoned in their thinking.

says the guy who's never read anything but noam chomsky. says the guy
who mouths every left wing cliche as if they were engraved on tablets
from mt sinai...

Now, Bush and the neo-cons, and possibly you, _are_ fascists, defined as: (in
general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

chuckle i haven't voted republican since i voted for john anderson
against ronald reagan. but, as you try to warp your befuddled brain
around concepts that require independent thinking, i smell the burning
rubber...


you're a racist.

How so? Because I'm open to other people's points of view and do not accept the
status quo?

what 'other' people? you've never read qutb. you've never read azzam.
you don't know the history of the kharijites or the wahabis or the
salafis. you speak from an exclusively far left, white, western point
of view. you're a prime example of what said called an
'orientalist'...

oh. you don't know who said was. pity.

you also regurgitate the tired cliches of baran and wallerstein...but
i'm sure you don't know them, either.

for an update, try tariq ramadan. he's as stullifed and cliche ridden
as you are, but he's more articulate.



. Clearly you can either read or write and have no knowledge of
history.
How typically American! It would seem to me that _you_ are the racist--you
blame
Arab/Muslim people for the problems we've created for ourselves.

proof we created these problems??

I've provided the title of a very good reference book by William Blum. That's a
start. Read it critically, but be open to what Blum writes.

i suggest YOU start with qutb and ramadan. see how little of your own
book of cliches actually belongs to you.



why...none. none at all. arab invasions of europe were taking place
before the US even existed. seems you don't know that. isabella and
ferdinand expelled the muslims (and the jews) from spain in 1492...a
year with other ramifications...

The invasions went both ways. I seem to remember something about some "crusades"
or something like that.

ever read bernard lewis? no? pity, that.

the crusades were not a major event at the time they happened to most
arabs. they aren't mentioned in most documents from the time. they
were ignored, being a minor penetration of a vast empire.

that hardly compares to the muslim invasion of austria in 1683 when
they damn near destroyed vienna

but at least you're finally starting to admit that OTHER people
besides americans can misbehave. there's hope for you yet.


It should be, but is apparently not, that I embrace no religious.

fundamentalism comes in many forms. america hatred is one.

A second, more dangerous form of fundamentalism, is the "America Right Or Wrong"
attitude that so many Americns have.

irrelevant. which is 'more' dangerous is irrelevant to the fact that
BOTH are wrong.

We are now, as at no other time in U.S.
history, a "lumbering, bellicose, dimwitted giant."

and the cliches reach a tidal wave...a tsunami of incoherence...

It _is_ true that the U.S.
had engendered much good will towards us during WWII---we immediately began
squandering that good will through unwanted foreign interventions.

as opposed to islamist fascist aggression in afghanistan...soviet
imperialist aggression in afghanistan and korea...UK intervention in
the suez resulting in US intervention to force the UK to withdraw

IOW you have ignored about 90% of history in favor of 1 idea that you
think explains everything

that's fundamentalism

American
hubris and jingoism will be our downfall as we're beginning to see now. I don't
hate America. But, I refuse to accept America as it is. We're headed in a very
immoral (I hate to use that word) and dangerous direction. It's neo-cons and
PNAC that are taking us there. Please! Read about PNAC. Just Google on "PNAC",
click on the links provided and read.

why not try reading about the 'council on national policy'...a group
that truly DOES practice behind the scenes politics.

you take CURRENT policy and try to project it into the past as if this
were ALWAYS the case. it simply isn't. as i said, you have 1 idea.
america is evil. so you think it's ALWAYS been evil and is UNIQUELY
evil. no other country before or since has been evil.

and that is wrong. wrong, wrong, wrong.



says the inveterate racist....let me know if you run out of bed
sheets...

I'm not going to insult you in the childish manner you've insulted me. I'll note
that you claim to see in me what you, in fact, recognize and dislike in yourself.

sorry, sport. if you're a racist, as you are, then i'm gonna call you
on it. you're as much a racist as any s. baptist who believed that the
white man's burden was god's destiny for the west. you believe in the
white man's burden in your own way.

if we DO lose in afghanistan it will be because of the degeneracy of
islam, not the problems of the US.