Moonlight Mile wrote:
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In article om,
"wf3h" wrote:
The U.S. attacked Afghanistan w/o proper cause,

other than 3000 dead americans, i suppose...

Afghanistan did not kill those 3000 people. Terrorists, who had _some_
association with al Qaeda did that.

ah, the racist rigidity of the fundamentalist mind.

he believes that the nation state is the only way to judge historical
events, not realizing that the nation state was invented in 1648.

uh, where do you think AQ was based (by the way...do you KNOW what 'al
qaeda' means?).

so, yes, afghanistan did attack us.


killing not one person
known to be directly connected with the 9/11 attacks.

we destroyed the taliban who supported, aided, abetted and conspired
with those who did. those involved in a conspiracy are just as guilty
as those who implement it....a basic fact of law...

There is no evidence that the Taliban aided, abetted, and conspired with the
9/11 terrorists.

other than, of course, AQ was based in afghanistan and bin laden knew
of, and approved the plan which was formulated by sheikh khalid
mohammed...also AQ...

The terrorists were Egyptian.

uh, no. 15/19 were saudi arabians.

Trained by Al Qaeda? Maybe? To do
what? Not known with certainty. The U.S. assumed ( unequivocally asserted ) that
the training was to hijack airplanes.

guess he's never read about the flight school training the terrorists
took...

What al Qaeda/bin Laden has clearly stated
is that the U.S. stop supporting oppressive regimes in the Middle East

is there any other kind? and what is 'support'? we had no relations
with libya yet they were as murderous as any. we had no relations with
the sudan yet they caused a civil war which killed 300,000. the french
had $10B in oil contracts with hussein...

yet you think ONLY the US 'supports' (sic) these regimes.

and bin laden's remedy? why...islamist fascism...a goal you have NEVER
condemned. why?

because you're a racist. that's why.

and in
other Muslim countries. It may seem paradoxical, but if these "pro-American"/
unpopular regimes were overthrown or voted out of office, not much would change
except the U.S. would probably no longer be attacked by so-called extremists.

more racist day dreams. if you READ qutb or azzam you KNOW they've
been planning to attack the west for 60 years.

but, no. you prefer the white man's burden. you prefer to think of
yourself heroically standing astride history, defending the ignorant
savage muslims....who are too stupid to invent fascist ideologies.

Muslim nations would have every reason to make peace with us

uh, why? why do you think that, because this is YOUR belief it's also
THEIRS? where have they believed in peace? in democratic bangladesh
where they've called for jihad against a democracy? in india where
they do the same?

WHERE is your evidence for your cult belief?

, trade with us
(oil). The problem is that we would be unable to control and dominate them.
Afghanistan was being bombed by the U.S. in the 1990s.

and we helped liberate them from soviet imperialist aggression...

9/11 was not an
unprovoked attack. It is probably true that 9/11 was a convenient excuse to
invade and control Afghanistan so that we could build and control pipelines to
transport oil and gas from the east side of the Caspian Sea

jesus...is there ANY cliche that you won't vomit?

i guess you didn't know the taliban visited the US in 1994 to discuss
a pipeline...long BEFORE the war. and it's been 5 years since we
liberated afghanistan and there's no pipeline. you seem to ignore the
evidence in favor of cliche of the moment.

, pipelines planned
to run through Afghanistan. It is also true that Iraq was attacked so we could
control their resources, build pipelines through Iraq.

well let's see. we've spent $300B to get oil worth a few billion that
we can't extract for 25 years.

yes, i can see you know as little about math as you do about history.

It seems that the U.N.'s approval is not very important anymore.

except, of course, the taliban killed the UN high commissioner in
iraq...

When denied it,
the U.S. claims the right to attack anyone, anytime, for any reason. When the
U.N. Security Council members are bullied and bribed into approval, the hides
behind that. Case in point: Iran _does_ absolutely have the right to enich
uranium for peaceful purposes.

gee. al baradei seems to think they're hiding things...why didn't the
iranians tell him about the enrichment facility at natanz? i'm a
physical chemist and can tell you that was, to put it mildly, a
significant oversite.

The U.S. claims Iran is doing so to make nuclear
weapons, but the U.S. has absolutely no proof that Iran is planning to build
nuclear weapons. Still, U.N. S.C members are bullied/bribed into passing
resolutions to impose sanctions on Iran. No proof is required. The U.S. is
simply not required to provide proof.

other than the fact that, as the IAEA has stated, the iranians have
lied.

oh...incidentally...if the UN is such a US puppet, how many UN troops
are in iraq?

precisely zero. none.

so, again, your point is squarely on top of your head.


All reasons for attacking
Iraq _again_ (March 20, 2003) have been discredited, and we're still there
after
nearly 4 years. The Iraqis are worse off now than they were under Saddam.
We've
imposed a puppet goverment

?? a govt elected by the people in elections monitored by the UN...

The election was contrived and staged by the U.S

the UN didn't think so. in fact, no one but you believes that.

.. Only those having the American
"seal of approval" could play the game. In short, Jalal Talabani was hand-picked
by the U.S. Do you really think the Iraqis would have elected a Kurd as
President?

who would they have elected? arab islamic ideology forbids democracy,
let alone nationalism

Compare Iraq to Nicaragua

irrelevant.


.. So the U.S. has a long, unpleasant history of imposing governments,
that
the people don't want, on other countries.

perhaps you'd prefer we hand germany back to the nazis? the japanese
back to the 'bushido' culture? that what you're advocating?

or afghanistan to the islamist fascists?



oh i forgot. he hates arabs.

I hate no one. I distrust my government and have no faith in the "wisdom" of the
American people. They elected Reagon twice, Bush twice. I got some land in FL...
Case closed!

and muslims have done what with their first democracy in the middle
east? murdered 40,000 of their own people. but you ignore
that...because you don't particularly care about arabs, or what drives
islamist ideology. you can't conceive of anything that isn't related
to the 'white mans burden'.



I just have no idea what it takes to get through to people like you.

you cant even get thru to yourself. it's no wonder you can't reach
anyone else.

Insult me if you must. But read Blum's "Rogue State:" A Guide..."

and YOU should read arab writers instead of white western ones. you're
a prime example of what said called an 'orientalist'.