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Old March 29th 07, 12:02 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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Default Rotation of the polarization question


"Jerry Martes" wrote in message
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On Mar 28, 3:25 pm, "Jerry Martes" wrote:
Hi

I want to find a place where I can learn about the effects the
atmosphere
has on the polarization of signals from satellites. Does anyone know
of
any web sites where that might be discussed?
Thanks
Jerry



Referred to as Faraday Rotation.. ARRL handbook talks about it in the
EME section. Rotation is less as frequency increases (so VHF is
affected a lot more than UHF is affected more than microwaves)
Amount of rotation is determined by the total electron content in the
path, which, of course, varies with everything you can imagine, but
primarily the amount of sunlight.
It's related to the difference (dispersion) in propagation speed with
frequency (or, index of refraction, if you want to work it that
way)..

More than 360 degrees of rotation isn't unusual at VHF.

What's really interesting is that it rotates the same way no matter
which direction you go, so if you had a planar reflector above the
ionosphere, and you launched a wave that's say polarized North-South,
and there's 45 degrees of rotation, when it came back down it would be
rotated 90 and be polarized East West...

This is one reason why GPS radiates on more than one frequency (you
measure the phase difference between the two, and that allows you to
estimate the TEC, which in turn allows you to estimate the change in
propagation velocity, which improves the accuracy of your fix.)

Most high accuracy orbiting radars that operate in P or L band do
something similar, especially if they are making polarimetric
measurements (handy if you want to do things like distinguish between
trees and grass, for instance)

How much detail do you need? I can probably give you URLs to cover
everything from simple estimates of magnitude to mind bendingly
detailed theoretical discussions.



Hi Jim

I am considering the design of a horn to illuminate an 8 foot diameter
solid surface dish at 4 GHz, for reception of geosynchronous satellite
signals that are linearly polarized.

One rraa reader has informed me that the rotation is refered to as
Faraday rotation and gave some links to it. I see that the amount of
rotation may be small enough to be negligable for my application.

I would like to know how rapid the rotation changes with time.

Thanks
Jerry


Any particulat sat you are interested in. I you to have a downlink with GOES
east and west and you wouldnt believe how simple of an antenna it took A
pair of dipoles connected for circular polarity. LNA and downconverer were
at he antenna..

Jimmie