From: Dave Heil on Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:21:08 GMT

Subject: What Revolution?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote:

Has anyone doubted that, Len?

[yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did
that in your life!"]

Your statement is a falsehood, "Anderson". Your quote of me is
manufactured by you.

It is terribly ACCURATE, sweetums, goes all the way back to
my mentioning my service with an Army radio station that
operated 24/7. You stated that I "never worked 24/7 in my
life!" :-)

Are you doing Eastertide funnies, Leonard?

Easter for 2007 is PAST, old man. :-)

Try to stay current...even if your voltage isn't up.


And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an
amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind-
the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Right. Are you running for ARRL office as well? Sure sounds like it.

Sigh. Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but
demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty
macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by
twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of
"homeland security."

I must have missed the demand that you bow down in respect or anything
else, Len.

You've MISSED a whole lot of things, old man. One is getting
someone to pound it into your head that "welcoming" anyone
does NOT mean constantly, unremittingly TRYING to PUT OTHERS
DOWN as if you were some nasty SOB of a drill instructor.
You are NOT a drill instructor but you act like some self-
righteous, holier-than-thou SOB.

It is a fact that you're a brand new amateur radio licensee.

Yes, as of 7 March 2007 with my FIRST amateur radio license
class of Amateur Extra. :-)

As of March 1956 I've held a First Class Radiotelephone
(Commercial) Operator license...which changed to a General
Radiotelephone (Commercial) Operator license...and both
kept renewed until the "GROL" became Lifetime (without the
need for renewal). That's IN the FCC's records available
on-line. You know how LONG that license has been granted
to me? 51 years.

You know what else? I have been IN radio-electronics since
1952...55 years, not only working in it but also using it
from land, from the air, and on the sea. All very legal,
and, except for lately, WITHOUT needing any "amateur radio
license 'first'." Indeed, when working on some DoD contracts
the FCC's jurisdiction on radio DID NOT APPLY and I needed
NO license! All absolutely LEGAL.

You have FABRICATED a whole lot of pure, unadultered horse****
in regarding Amateur Radio as being some kind of extra-special
"different kind of radio" AS IF it is "not related" to any
other radio service, civilian or government. That isn't just
horse****, Heil, it is pure bull****...as "pure" as the
dumping grounds of diary farms and cattle grazing grounds...
and as evil-smelling as any ****ed-off morseman who despises
what the FCC did to "his amateur radio" in license testing.


What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL
the test elements at one exam session...without asking
for His Permission, too!

I've seen no evidence that your claim is true. He's probably just noted
that you acted like a horse's patoot before you obtained an amateur
radio license and that you've carried that behavior into amateur radio.

Poor baby! Tsk, tsk, you've held a Personality Conflict
about me for a decade and you just can't let go of your
pesonal hatred, can you? :-)


"Extra out of the box!" Heil says I "didn't do it,"
yet I did. Sunnuvagun!

You can't have, Len. You announced it over seven years back and waited
for the regs to change before you took any amateur radio licensing
exams. That's not "right out" of anything. If someone tells me, "I'll
be right out", no one expects that to mean, "I'll be there in seven years."

"Extra Out Of The Box" is a common [U.S.} amateur radio
colloquial expression meaning one who takes ALL the test
elements and passes them in the SAME exam session. That
is what I did on 25 February 2007 at an ARRL VEC group's
exam session held at Old Fire House 77 on Glenoaks Blvd
in the Los Angeles suburb of Sun Valley.

I decided to take all the tests on 17 February 2007. NOT
"seven years ago." That's the truth no matter how or what
you write to the contrary.

Here is the posting where YOU said "I didn't do it,"
right from Google archives so you don't have to injure
a precious neuron to search for it:

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AF6AY wrote:
Tsk, Brian, there ain't NO booze, branch water, or aqvavit to
make Davey say such a thing without the adjective of
"neophyte," "beginner" or whatever he needs to PUT DOWN
OTHERS he no like! :-)

I'm sorry that you don't like it, Len, but you are a beginner or
neophyte in amateur radio. You're just getting started. You're just
getting your feet wet.

Don't worry, you'll get the hang of it.

73, Len AF6AY [Extra Out Of The Box!]

...after a delay of seven long years. "Right out of the
box"
never took place.

Dave K8MN
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? ?Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more?
? ?like you are one of the arrogant nobility.?

Len, nobility? He's merely your peer... your equal.

ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges,
rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! :-)

You haven't had enough time in amateur radio to be equal to anyone but
another neophyte, Len.

Go FU yourself, Heil. The FCC says I'm an Amateur Extra.
YOU don't give licenses...You have NO authority, only a
big Ego.

Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military;
Jimmie never did that.

...to your knowledge.

To EVERYONE's knowledge, sweetums. Miccolis finally admitted
in public he had NEVER SERVED in the military. Period.


I've worked in radio-electronics
full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is
supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living.

It is apparent that not knowing bugs the hell out of you.

No, it should be "apparent" that there are FAKERS out
there telling lots of LIES. "Major Dud" Robeson is one
of those. You lean in that direction...by very careful
wording to avoid details of yourself, only the overall
"big picture" phrasing (giving no details) is what you've
used. Sound like someone familiar? It should be, that
technique was tried by some civilian "major" of the CAP.


You have a good family and children and I have a good wife
who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything
about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger
brother "into radio."

It is also apparent that your lack of information on Jim's personal life
also bugs the hell out of you.

No, only that some want to keep things hidden from public view.
We will all know when he comes out of the closet.

Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than
any of us? We don't know enough about Him to compare.

It can be demonstrated that Jim has over 40 times as much experience in
amateur radio than you, Leonard.

Oh, WOW! Forty years as an amateur! When do you think he will
turn Professional? :-)

Chew on that for a while.

Go bite your own horse's ass.

Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody."

I've never seen evidence that he is pretending anything, Len.

He PRETENDS to be a "military expert." He doesn't know squat
about the military. He PRETENDS to be an "amateur radio
historian," yet all his "writings" are cribbings from other,
real historians. He PRETENDS to be a professional (salaried)
engineer, yet he can't say ONE thing in here about what he does
or what his "products" are. He PRETENDS to know "all about"
other modes in amateur radio but all he can talk about is his
own OOK CW morsemanship. He PRETENDS to be a "knowledgeable
expert on southern California real estate but he knows squat
about that. He is a PRETENDER on par with the infamous Robesin.


Jim's analogy of real estate zoning changes in your local area to your
attempts as an outsider to effect change in amateur radio licensing (all
the while insisting that it was not for your personal benefit) was an
apt one. You didn't like that one single bit.

It was INEPT. Learn to spell.

There was NEVER any analogue, not even a corollary to "amateur
radio." You KNOW that, but you are sooooo enjoying your PUT
DOWN attempt that you can't help yourself. Miccolis FABRICATED
his case out of wispy cloth used for the Emperor's New Clothes.


You say that Jim pretends, yet he has posted the data on a regular
basis.

Erich von Daniken has written FIVE books on "ancient astronauts."
Is he "right?"

I can find no errors in the material he has submitted.

You better not...those numbers are straight from the ARRL's own
page on "FCC License Counts."

Are you now a "Mathematician," Heil? Some kind of "numbers guru?"
Who awarded you that title? One of your alternate personalities?


It isn't about fear, Len. It should be about exercising restraint and
using civility. You just plain honk people off.

I "honk" morsemen off. TS. Who the hell are YOU to be such a
"judge and jury" of what goes on in US amateur radio?

You've had a deep Personality Conflict with me ever since I didn't
care for your Guinea-Bisseau "morsemanship saves the RTTY day" for
you STORY you posted in here long ago. Wow, you REALLY tried to
shine yourself on the average regular in here then...you with the
STATE DEPARTMENT and all that stuff, posted to a little third-world
African country whose major export was cashew nuts. You got your
nuts off on my response, big expert on radio.

My work experience AND radio licensing is
public record if anyone cares to look for it...

...or if anyone cares.

The FBI cared. Lots of federal agencies cared. I've had several
background investigations without problems. Neither have I ever
been fired from an electronics engineering job for incompetence
or anything else.

...and I DO have
documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin).

There is no one named "Robesin" who has posted here.

Yes there is. He goes by several different pseudonyms.

If you mean Steve
Robeson, he hasn't submitted proof of his military service to you.
That's not the same as it not haven taken place.

It hasn't. He's a FAKE, pure and simple. A poseur.

I have plenty of proof of my military service, but I'm not going to
submit it to you.

Submit to EVERYBODY. Make it public. Show everyone how
gloriously you served the nation in "a country at war."

You've squawked about that and you've insulted me
over my Vietnam service a number of times, that despite your claims that
you've never denigrated the military service of a fellow veteran.

Poor baby. Still crying over not being believed by telling
NO DETAILS of that glorious service? Good sales technique
but you don't have much of a product.

It isn't an "insult" to challenge a salesman-type who can't
come up with DETAILS on his "service." You might not have
"lied" but - with so few details and so many generalities -
you never told the TRUTH, either.

What has YOUR MILITARY SERVICE to do with RADIO? Did you ever
operate a radio in Vietnam? If so, what and under which
circumstances? Come ON, Heil, you can get very creative here,
no photographs need be reproduced, you can MAKE UP nice heroic
stories to really convince the folks!

I'm an old timer.

Yes, with that weight and continued smoking you need not
worry about any future.

I do not use Morse Code exclusively.

That's difficult to believe.

I'm an amateur radio operator.

You were granted an amateur radio license. It is the SAME
class license as the FCC granted me for my FIRST amateur radio
license. So?

I PUT you DOWN because you continue to act like a horse's ass.

Bull****. You have this deep abiding hatred called a Personality
Conflict with me. TS. Better get that disorder fixed. I'm not
going away any time soon.


No one here has done more "I am better than you" bragging, than Leonard
H. Anderson, a man who, up until a few weeks back, was not an amateur
radio op.

What "bragging?" "It ain't braggin' if ya done it!" a slight
misquote written by Miccolis several times in here. :-)

I done it, sweetums. It can be verified if you haven't seen it
already. No need to "brag" for me.


You really showed everyone.

What was there to "show?" I decided to take all the tests, did
that, passed them all, was granted my amateur radio license.
It complements the First 'Phone that I passed in one session
back in 1956. I waited about two weeks to take my First 'Phone
test, only about a week (plus a day) to take my Extra test.

Did I surprise you? Make you ANGRY at my audacity? :-)

Are you disturbed that I didn't ask your royal permission to
take a ham test? Was I supposed to kiss your ass and deliver
unto you a bunch of gratuitous nice-nice words first? :-)

Poor baby. Before the "TEST" you couldn't say enough nasty
about my NOT having an amateur radio license. NOW you can't
say enough nasty about my HAVING an amateur radio license!
You are a paragon of the paradigm of paradox...all hung up
on Hate because your prideful feathers got ruffled a long
time ago. Tsk, tsk.

You can't handle the use of Morse.

...that you know of. :-)

Colonel Jessup, one thing for damn sure is that YOU CAN'T
HANDLE THE TRUTH!

I've told truth in here. Others who have similar Personality
Conflicts with me have MANUFACTURED LIES out of my statements.

I expect such manufacturing of lies out of my truth in a
computer-modem communications venue. It's par for the course
in here. What I didn't expect was the lonnnng-running Hatred
that a few have over others' accomplishments. Surprise,
surprise, Gomer! :-)

Like it or not (we know you HATE it), I have my amateur radio
license, at Amateur Extra class. I intend to enjoy it despite
all your cat-calling, LIES, and general personal insults in this
newsgroup. Know what? YOU really DON'T MATTER in what I decide
to do for myself. Not one whit.

Like it or not, I *AM* part of the "revolution" in U.S. amateur
radio, one who DID do "Extra Out Of The Box" AFTER the code test
was eliminated by the FCC. There aren't many of us who are PART
of that "revolution," fewer still who did it ALL in one test
session. But, WE did it. There will be MORE in the future.

Eventually, all the morsemen of today will have gone SK and the
only licensed radio amateurs will be those who NEVER HAD TO TAKE
ANY MORSE CODE TEST! Oh, there will be some niche interested
morsemen in U.S. amateur radio in the future just as there are
niche interests in other modes. On the way to that future, the
morsemen will be sitting around whining and crying for days when
They were the "leaders" and "keepers of 'tradition'." That is
already disappearing. The "revolution" happened but guys like
you were so deep in self-righteous wrath you went into denial.
Not my problem. It is yours.

Enjoy your hate. You seem to have earned it. :-)

AF6AY