On Apr 8, 4:40�pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
From: on 8 Apr 2007 08:47:20 -0700

Subject: What Revolution?

On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical
warm, wonderful "welcome" message of:

Well, Len, you're just reaping what you've sown.

Jim, when life appears to be treating you unfairly, it isn't.

Who said life was treating me unfairly?

Ah, but I DID have those experiences, proven by several
publicly-accessible references and documented
licenses. :-)

Has anyone doubted that, Len?

* *[yes, a few have, notably Heil who once said "you never did
* *that in your life!"]

That was in reference to your claim of having
worked 24/7.

Tsk, that seems to **** off some "club call" collectors
and civilian government service "careerists." ? :-)

Is there something wrong with being in government service for a couple
of decades?

As long as it doesn't lead to a case of pompousness, as with Heil.

What pompousness?

* *Heil's assignments were given by him as 1985 to 2000, a term
* *of 15 years, NOT "a couple of decades."

* *Hello? *Can anyone see FACTUAL ERROR on Jimmie's part?

Who is this "Jimmie" you refer to, Len?

Does having been granted a Commercial radiotelephone
operator license 51 years ago NOT count?

Count for what, Len?

What do you think it should count for, when the subject is amateur
radio?

Welp, according to Heil, he was able to bypass military comms training
as he held an amateur license. *He was DDA.

* *Is that the same as "DOA?" *[Heil is dead in the water most
* *of the time with his attitude...]

Amateur radio is the only way to get *amateur radio* experience,
Len.

You've got plenty of that, Jim. *Probably more than a 4 year old
Extra.

* *Right...according to these amateur professionals, AMATEUR
* *radio does NOT work the same as all other radio. *

In many ways, it does not. The regulations are
different, the Basis and Purposes are different,
etc.

For example, is there any other radio service
where any licensee can design, build, align
repair and operate their own radio stations on any frequency allocated
to that radio service, without
any documentation or certification?

It is
* *"different" and can never be compared to other radio.

You can compare it, but the differences must be
considered. You don't consider the differences.

*It's
* *experience is totally different. *Uh huh...

In most ways it *is* different.

For example, with all your claimed experience as
a "PROFESSIONAL in radio", if you had the opportunity and permission
to operate my amateur
radio station, you wouldn't be able to use most of the
equipment at all. K8MN, on the other hand, would
have no problem.

We, on the other hand, would have no problem using
an Icom transceiver like yours.

Do you think you know more about amateur radio than someone who has
been an active radio amateur for several decades?

What's to know? *Please start a list.

* *Jimmie should WRITE A BOOK, maybe a whole set of volumes
* *on his life and times in amateur radio, pioneering the
* *airwaves of the 1980s with his morse code modes. *Here's
* *a suggested working title "200 Meters and Sideways."

Who is this "Jimmie", you keep mentioning, Len?

* *If the ARRL doesn't resell it, he can work it up as a
* *promo of a recent motion picture...or get on a Jay Leno
* *show in another morse v. cell-phone-text contest.

The Morse Code operators won that contest, Len.
And they weren't even going half the record speed.

And a couple of weeks as a licensed radio amateur. That makes you an
amateur radio neophyte, Len. A beginner, novice, newcomer, wet-behind-
the-ears tyro.Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Right.

It's true. Not that their's anything wrong with it!

Len will soon have 40 days experience as a radio amateur. I will soon
have 40 years.

*Are you running for ARRL office as well? *Sure
sounds like it.

* *Sigh. *Another east coastie, warm and welcoming...but
* *demanding that I bow down in "respect" to their mighty
* *macho morsemanship and "years of national service" by
* *twiddling their paddles and beeping in the cause of
* *"homeland security."

Len, you're just reaping what you have sown. In fact,
you are treated much better here than you treat
others.

* *Jimmie still thinks that amateur radio works "differently"
* *than all other radio. *Perhaps he thinks that way out of
* *ignorance in NOT being acquainted with all other radio or
* *even just parts of all other radio? *Maybe he was taught
* *that in his school (that still thinks it was "first" to
* *"invent" the "first electronic computer")?

Ah, there you go, Len, inserting the factual errors.

ENIAC was the world's very first fully operational, high speed,
general purpose, electronic digital computer. That's historical fact.

Amateur Radio is considerably different from other
radio services in many ways.

I don't recall that U.S. government regulations REQUIRE
all that CONTACT collection. [looking through Title 47
again...] Nope, NOTHING in the regulations about that...

Doesn't matter.

Neither does half a million 13 second QSO's.

* *Yes it DOES matter, Brian. *By all that "different" amateur
* *radio, those short QSOs result in life-long friendships
* *and mutual love between morsemen.

Your jealousy is showing, Len.

So, nearly a quarter million [transitory] CONTACTS via
amateur radio. What does that prove?

1) Experience
2) Operating skill
3) A certain level of activity.

I suspect that you are jealous of K8MN, Len.

He's merely annoying. *He knows everything - just ask him.

* *Jimmie is merely annoying with his little "game" of adding
* *in question marks that were never written originally.

Google does that sometimes.

The capability of
making lots of [transitory] contacts? ?Yes, but doing so
many is little more than accumulating some self-logged
contacts that take a relatively long time to ascertain.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

There are collectors who have amassed great quantities
of pennies, string, and other items.

? ?Not the same thing at all.?

Beer can tabs, navel lint, etc.

* *QSL cards over a whole wall...another wall filled with
* *certificates of great (amateur) accomplishments...yet
* *another wall filled with photographs (posed photo-ops)
* *of him with other ham notables...fourth wall stacked
* *with old, yellowing copies of QST going back longer than
* *he has lived. *Marker lines on the floor so that "friends
* *and neighbors" know where to stand when "admiring his
* *accomplishments."

Whose station are you describing, Len?

If Len Anderson wants to pretend that he is part of some revolution, let
him play.

Tsk, tsk, I *AM* part of the revolution... :-)

What "revolution", Len?
It's been about six weeks since the rules change, and
there hasn't been any tremendous increase in the number
of new hams nor a huge number of upgrades. Yes, there
have been more than in previous months but it's hardly
enough to be a "revolution".

Must the revolution be in numbers *This revolution is in the
regulations.

They dropped a test and not much happened.

* *Brian, it hasn't sunk into his morsemen's mind yet.

* *Morsemen's minds are too cluttered with beeps to get
* *the picture of more complex subjects...at least until
* *a Dave Sumner "editorial" explains it all to them in
* *QST.

Ah, the classic Len abuse of those he envies...

Let's see...you bought some manufactured equipment,
put together a basic station, and made a few contacts
using voice modes like SSB and FM. How "revolutionary"
? ?is that??

He did it on HF without a single morse code exam.

* *On VHF first (the discone was up first), then on HF. *:-)

* *What ****es Jimmie off is that I took and passed ALL
* *the test elements at one exam session...without asking
* *for His Permission, too!

Well, Len, I don't now what that "Jimmie" person thinks, but it didn't
bother me at all.

It only took you seven years and twenty-some days
to go from your "out of the box" boast to actually
doing it.

* *"Extra out of the box!" *Heil says I "didn't do it,"
* *yet I did. *Sunnuvagun!

You are mistaken.

Nothing wrong with it as long as you follow the rules and
good *amateur radio* practice, but it's hardly a
revolution.

Hmmmm? *"Good Amateur Practice." *Some of your Cronies have a hard
time with that one.

You mean like Len's neighbor, ex-KG6IRO?

* *His Cronies only know morsemanship. *To them, morsemanship
* *is the ONLY "good amateur practice." *

Another factual error on your part, Len.

Ptui.

Ah - so you spit on other amateurs. Is that "good amateur practice",
Len?

Marie, I know you want to give cake to the peasants, but
don't lose your head in excoriating them...

Are you one of the peasants, Len? You act more
like you are one of the arrogant nobility.

Len, nobility? *He's merely your peer... *your equal.

* *ONLY in amateur radio, Brian...as far as all the privileges,
* *rank, status, etc., which must REALLY **** him off! *:-)

Only as far as the license class. Doesn't bother me at all.

* *Brian, like you, I've voluntarily served the US military;
* *Jimmie never did that. *

Well, I don't know what "Jimmie" did. But I know
what I have done.

K8MN also served voluntarily in the US military.

I've worked in radio-electronics
* *full-time since 1952; we don't know where Jimmie is
* *supposed to work or what it is he really does for a living.

I don't know what "Jimmie" does for a living. But I know what I do,
and have done.

* *You have a good family and children and I have a good wife
* *who was my high school sweetheart; we don't know anything
* *about Jimmie's personal life except that he has a younger
* *brother "into radio." *Is Jimmie Greater or Lesser than
* *any of us? *We don't know enough about Him to compare.

Who is this "Jimmie" anyway, Len?

Why do you so much want to compare yourself
to him?

* *Jimmie PRETENDS to be a "Somebody." *Like an "amateur radio
* *historian," pretending to be the olde-tymer, all the while
* *cribbing from OTHER sources of ham radio history. *Jimmie
* *PRETENDS to be a real estate "expert" yet he has never dealt
* *up-close-and-personal with any real estate matters in my
* *city or neighborhood...yet he wants to imply He knows more
* *and is therefore the 'superior being' on that. *Jimmie
* *PRETENDS to be a statistical archivist with his amateur radio
* *numbers posting...yet those numbers are the SAME as what the
* *ARRL posts plus his own commentary (7 years old) about the
* *"difference between Techs and Tech Plusses."

I don't know about this "Jimmie" person, Len. But I don't claim to be
an expert about anything.

I do know some things about amateur radio history,
real estate, and the numbers of current FCC issued
amateur radio licenses held by individuals. It
seems to me that my knowledge of those subjects
really, really bothers you.

* *I don't PRETEND anything. *

Sure you do, Len. You pretend to be better than
all who disagree with you.

I have opinions and am not scared
* *to voice them.

You also voice things that are demonstrably
untrue.

*My work experience AND radio licensing is
* *public record if anyone cares to look for it...and I DO have
* *documented evidence to prove that (unlike The Robesin).

If you won't look, you won't find.

* *But, some of the olde-tyme morsemen want to PUT DOWN those
* *that don't share their lofty, god-given opinions. *They
* *don't take kindly to such folk and manage to pollute this
* *newsgroup with their "I am better than you" bragging.

Len, you're projecting your own behavior onto
others - again.

�I
* *didn't decide to get into amateur radio on Their terms and
* *wouldn't want to personally associate with such narrow-
* *minded, arrogant persons.

Yet you associate with them here. Why is that?
I think you are both jealous and sfraid of them.

*Amateur radio is, to me, much
* *more than morsemanship and something to enjoy by itself,
* *not a vehicle for morsepersons to engage in self-
* *aggrandizement.

I agree 100%, Len. I do much more with Amateur
Radio than Morse Code.

Then why do you behave the way you do here, Len?

You told us you'd leave this newsgroup when the
Morse Code test went away. But you're still here,
following your classic behavior profile. Why is that?

btw, Len, the telegraphic abbreviation "73" means "best regards". It's
already plural.
So when you write "73s", you're saying "best regardses"

73 de Jim, N2EY