AF6AY wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:57:35 GMT

Subject: What Revolution?

AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 29, 6:24?pm, Dave Heil wrote a typical


What do you mean "as well?" Do you know someone who is running for an
ARRL elected position?

You've announced a run for the Roanoke Division Directorship.

No, Brian, I have not.

Perhaps it was only wishful typing when you posted your run?

Maybe Heil CHANGED HIS MIND? People are allowed to do that,
change their mind, that is...

reinsertion of related material snipped by Len

To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that
hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't
make such a statement.

Then WHO writes all your postings for you?

The way it looks now is that I type the bulk of my postings and
hot-ham-and-cheese makes some of them up. :-)

An alternate personality? [getting to be more like The
Robesin every day...]

If I have an alternate personality, it must be hot-ham-and-cheese. :-)

If YOU - or whoever is impersonating you - writes a
statement in here, then whatever you write "is attributed
to you."

....and if I do not write a statement and someone pulls a statement from
the air and tried to make it appear that it is something I've said, that
is fiction at best and a deliberate falsehood at worst.

Is that too complex for you to understand?

I'm a couple of steps ahead of you on this one, Len.

Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according
to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long
ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed!

You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of
occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further
attention to himself by braying about it.

If MICCOLIS were MORE CIVIL he wouldn't constantly be bringing
up OLD arguments, OLD postings, that were dropped by others long
ago.

I disagree. You've trotted out OLD arguments and OLD postings. You've
told and retold your "Big time" ADA story countless times. You've used
the same, tired, jokes five and six times each. Most of the stuff you
classify as "dropped by others" means "swept under the rug" by Leonard
Anderson. Other "dropped by others" items are termed "throwaway lines"
by you.

Neither would he be trying to MANUFACTURE "errors" and
"facts" OUT OF CONTEXT.

They aren't MANUFACTURED errors, Len. You've actually made them.
In no case have you been able to show that the material was taken OUT OF
CONTEXT.

You do that also, but JIMMIE Miccolis
makes it a de facto career.

That's a factual error on your part, Foghorn.


Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-)

The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an
apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same
apprentice level.

God forbid the Grate Heil being an "APPRENTICE" level in
anything! :-)

Everybody starts somewhere, Len. Don't shy away from your neophyte
status in amateur radio. :-)


Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are
the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and
study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or
the highway, but the Air Force way.

So you DID get the free USAF training. You said you hadn't.

That's a factual error on your part. I said no such thing. I wrote
that I'd never had to attend an Air Force Technical School.

Oh, my, such inconsistency in your "factual" statements!

The inconsistency was in your ability to read and understand words.

As a "boot" is to the military, you are to amateur radio.

The United States Army does NOT use the term "boot" except
for foot apparel. "Boot" is a USN term for RECRUITS.

That'll come as news to those in the Air Force who are called "boot" as
a term of derision. I'm sure you can tell us, Len, what was the term of
derision used for new recruits in the Army?

You want me to attend Basic Training ALL OVER AGAIN?

Sounds fine to me, Len.

Stupid man, you just can't stop your attempts at put-
downs of others, can you?

You and I both know that I'm not a stupid man, Len.

Stupid man, the laws of physics work the SAME for amateur
radio as it does for ALL OTHER RADIO SERVICES. The only
"differences" lie in the (sometimes warped) mental attitudes
of others...such as yourself, plus some adminstrative
differentiations applied by the single U.S. civil radio
regulating agency, the FCC.

Did you know that you misspelled "administrative" the last two times
you've attempted to use it?

You've made another factual error, Leonard, old piranha. Administrative
"differentiations" are not the same as different purposes for various
radio service, different protocol in operation, different operating
modes used and the like. One example would be the very common used of
CW in amateur radio. VHF/UHF users would not concern themselves
typically with a knowledge of propagation. Point-to-point HF users
would likely concern themselves with the propagation between their
station and up to several others. Radio amateurs, not being
point-to-point users, concern themselves with weak signal, possible
propagation paths.

United States amateur radio is NOT a military or para-
military "service." It is not a craft, a guild, or union
that has "apprentice, journeyman, master" skill levels.
It isn't even a "national service."

Don't tell us what amateur radio is not, Len. Tell us what it is.

US amateur radio is
defined by the FCC for administrative purposes in
differentiating between different radio services.

That tells us pretty much nothing useful.

The
word "service" as used in all of Title 47 C.F.R. is a
regulatory term defining the type and kind of radio
activity being regulated by them.

Tell us how the FCC defines amateur radio. Does the Commission ever
refer to it as a hobby?

You're green--a beginner.

You are an antagonistic asshole who can't stop trying to
put down your newsgroup "enemies" with the slightest
denigrations you can dream up.

I stated nothing unfactual, Len. You have just obtained your very first
amateur radio license. You have no previous experience in amateur
radio. You're a newcomer, a novice, a neophyte, green. We all start
somewhere. You've started.

I wrote that you're a novice in amateur radio. That is the case.
You're a neophyte, a beginner.

You've REALLY got a hard one in trying to put me down.

It isn't hard at all, Len. You don't like being called a beginner, no
matter how true it happens to be. We were all beginners in amateur
radio at one time. You really don't like being called one.

You ought to experience some catharsis, such as writing
Special Counsel Riley Hollingsworth about my "negligent
attitude at now taking your Grateness 'advice.'"

You are in no way obligated to take my advice, Len. You may cling to
your old attitude and the results it has brought you.

Maybe,
with the "help" of your elected representatives, you can
force the FCC to change my license to Technician!

You'd still be a beginner as a Technician or a General Class licensee.
Any way you slice it, you're a brand new ham. You don't like that part.

Or, you could get some mental counseling and LOSE your
antagoinistic I-am-superior attitude. Nobody has to
kiss YOUR ass, salute you, or give up their seat on the
amateur bus to you just because you are the Mighty Heil.

You should take some of those swell ideas and write 'em down in a little
notebook. You could look them over when you have your morning coffee
(or before your mental counseling sessions) and ask yourself: Have I, a
beginner in amateur radio, come off with an "I-am_superior" attitude?
Have I acted in a manner that makes others feel that they have to kiss
my ass, salut me or give up their seat on the bus to me, just because I
am Leonard H. "I started in big time HF radio fifty years ago" Anderson?

If you do that on a regular basis, you might come to see how it is that
you aren't getting the warm welcome you seem to feel is your due. You
aren't impressing long time hams, some of whom have done at least as
much in electronics or radio operation as you've done. You aren't
impressing those who have decades in amateur radio under their belts.
You might understand why you are seem by some, as a pontificating blow hard.


I fully accept that
you've passed requisite exams currently in place for the Amateur Extra.

Tsk, you had to add the qualifier "currently in place!" :-)

Why would anyone HAVE to pass requisite exams for any
OTHER era?

How could anyone possibly pass requisite exams for a
FUTURE era?

PRECISELY!!!! You passed the requisite exams currently in place.

I obeyed the LAW. I passed.

There's no law requiring you to pass.

In ONE EXAM SESSION.

....but not "right out of the box."

You've been issued a license.

NO! I was GRANTED an amateur radio license by the FCC.

As I said, you've been issued a license.

If you must be the irritating, anatagonistic asshole about
WORDS, try to use the CORRECT ones!

You have to love a guy telling another to use the CORRECT words in the
same sentence that he uses "anatagonistic."

I couldn't find anything above where I commented on your age.

Tsk, tsk! You've done that consistently, old man.

Since you snipped the material, I REALLY can't find anywhere above where
I commented on your age. There is no maximum age for obtaining an
amateur radio license in the United States, just as there is no minimum
age.

You now have an amateur radio license.

Amateur Extra class.

RANK-STATUS-PRIVILEGE?

Yes, it complements the First Class Radiotelephone (Commercial)
Operators License I was granted in March, 1956, and kept
renewed until FCC regulations changed to make it a "GROL"
with NO renewals necessary.

How does it do that, Len? How does it complement the commercial license?

Use it and gain some experience in amateur radio.

Is that a COMMAND, your Grateness?

Lenny don't do COMMANDS!

Believe it or not, individuals are allowed a great freedom
to do what THEY want, not what you "command."

Have it your way. Don't use it and don't gain any experience.

I will DO with MY amateur radio license what *I* choose to
do...always keeping within the letter and spirit of the LAW
(not working Frenchmen out of band on 6m).

You may work all of the Frenchmen you like on Six Meters, Len and it
won't matter a whit where they are in the band, as long as you stay
where you are permitted to operate.


I BEGAN in big-time radio...
snip of irrelevant reruns

Exactly WHAT is "irrelevant" about MY life experience, your
Grateness?

If it doesn't relate to amateur radio, it is irrelevant. If it has been
written countless times before, it is irrelevant.

Other than my being a perceived newsgroup "enemy"
of yours?

You attempted to snip a great deal of relevant comments when you
responded to my last post in this thread. You did so, it seems, to try
to make it appear that my words were about something else.

The US Army didn't have - or allow - any "skipping of (union-
grade) levels."

That must have been tough for you. Do you think you could have
challenged the course?

snip

Heil and Miccolis really OVERWORK their look-down-their-noses
attitude of "beginners."

I congratulate you on your brand new amateur radio license.

You act the contemptible HYPOCRITE, Heil. You've spent a
long, long message trying to put me down through all of it.
Now you try the "nice-nice" route with the "congratulations."

I'll be happy to withdraw my congratulations.

You are about as two-faced a Janus as I've ever met.

Keep your ears and eyes open and you may learn a great deal.

Keep YOUR mouth and keyboard SHUT once in a while and YOU
might learn to be a civil human being.

My keyboard doesn't open and shut, Len. Whatever shall I do?
I've taken your ten year r.r.a.p. civility course, Leonard. Do I pass?

That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio.

See, the WRONG side of the Janus face gets all the attention
and it MUST mouth off with "advice."

How do you tell which is the wrong side?

The fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio.

The "fact" is that you are an asshole of a human being
wannabe, Heil.

I think you're beginning to come apart.

You have much to learn.

YOU have MUCH MUCH MORE to learn about getting along with
others. OFF radio.

You almost have it. I've been trying to tell you something. You're
still looking outside yourself.

You aren't an instant expert, Len.

I don't pretend to be.

Yes, Len, you do pretend to be--often!

Why do YOU pretend to be an "expert?"

I've never claimed to be an expert in anything, Len.

Other than with morse code mode communications, that is.

I've not even claimed that.

You come back ONLY when you've had PART of the experience
I've had in OTHER radio services, INCLUDING radio as used
by the Department of Defense in various contracting jobs
(NO license necessary).

Come back? I'm not going anywhere. Are you ordering someone to leave
again, Len? I've had PART of the experiences you've had in OTHER radio
service, INCLUDING DOD and I've done even more. Now what? Do I get a
certificate?

Don't try to snow the other hams with your "State Departement"
radio officer stuff.

I've not done that, Leonid. There's no "State Departement radio
officer" position and there was no snow, just a lonely old know-it-all
from California who acted as if he knew my job better than I.

You were a civilian government
employee (regardless of the fancy-schmancy Title you love
to drop) for under 20 years.

As I recall, you don't care for RANK-STATUS.

Your Big Claim is BEING DX
for radio amateurs through your posting in Finland and
African countries.

Finland isn't rare DX and I don't have a "Big Claim". You're reaching.
The next thing you know, you'll be telling me my car color.

Did the FCC post you there?

Did the ARRL send you there? NO to both.

So why were you asking if you already knew?

So try being a HUMAN
BEING. It must be hard for you to do that, but TRY.

I think you're missing the point of the lesson, Len. There is a lesson,
you know.

You are NOT in "command." You have NO "authority." Try
to remember that next time you use your "authority" to
"command" others to do something, anything.

What were you commanded to do?


Dave K8MN