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Dave Heil · April 15th 07, 01:36 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.policy

wrote:
On Apr 11, 12:57 am, Dave Heil wrote:
AF6AY wrote:
From: on 10 Apr 2007 03:56:54 -0700
Subject: What Revolution?
On Apr 9, 1:05 pm, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 9, 2:05 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 7, 5:31 pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:34?pm, "AF6AY" wrote:

I've told you a number of times that the FCC nowhere uses the word
"hobby" in defining or describing amateur radio.

The BMV doesn't list hobby driving in it's regulations, yet some
people collect and drive cars for a hobby. But the amateur radio
SERVICE is serious business - 13 second QSOs and all!

I wasn't writing of the BMV. The BMV doesn't do QSOs.

You've always had a perceptible inferiority complex.

You've always had a smug complex.

I never heard of a smug complex.

Now IN the electronics industry (where the rest of the radio
world's equipment - and some amateur gear - is designed and
made), the vast majority of those involved do NOT have amateur
radio licenses! Those involved in everyday work with radio
and electronics found it a fascinating, challenging activity
all by itself. No "ham ticket" was necessary...indeed was a
superfluous thing since amateur radio licenses are NOT needed
for the rest of the radio world.

If someone wanted to participate in amateur radio, passing an amateur
radio license exam was the only way to gain entry. That is still true
today.

Heil got one right.

"Heil" gets many right.

Passing the exams
allowed me to bypass tech school.
So you really did bypass military comms training? Exactly how did I
"misquote" you?

You misquoted me when you wrote "according to Heil" and follow it with
something I've not stated.

Yet it is what you did.

WE just don't know for sure what Heil actually did unless he
states his USAF MOS, what he worked with "in a country at war."

The Air Force does not use that term, Leonard.

The US Army does.

I wasn't in the Army.

It is "Military Occupational Specialty," the
equivalent of the Air Force Specialty Code (AFSC).

I recognized the term and I corrected Len. Thanks for doing it again.

If you're going to play
Secret Squirrel, at least bone up on the background info.

Nobody minds when Robesin gets it "half-right" about his own service
or MARS, so why the prob with Len's mostly accurate statement?

There's nobody posting as "Robesin". If you mean Steve Robeson, neither
of you has proven anything he has written about his military service to
be a falsehood.

Which of Len's statements was mostly accurate?

You're right, Brian. Jim has forty years of amateur radio experience.
Len has a few weeks at best.

I'm sure he'll catsup quick.

He'll have forty years experience in forty years.

Poor Dave has to maintain that edge of superiority.

He has a terrible personal NEED for that "superiority."

Where did you see me writing of myself? You have a terrible personal
case of inferiority.

And you have a terrible impersonal case.

Well, hot-ham-and-cheese, facts are facts. I wrote about Jim. You and
Len tried to make it sound as if I was writing about myself.

He MUST be above all others.

JIM has forty years more experience that you. You MUST have seen that.

If you were to add up all of your 13 second QSOs, how many years of
experience would that be?

For that to be accurate, one would first need to make the inaccurate
assumption that my QSOs were all of thirteen seconds or less. Time
spent listening also counts. Finally, there's little chance that I'll
be going through all of my logs and presenting a statistical analysis
for you and Len.

The Latin phrase "Primus inter pares"
suits him ("first among equals"), a Latin oxymoron of all things.

You aren't Jim's equal in amateur radio or civility. You're a beginner
in one and you have yet to practice the other.

It looks like you have an opinion. How nice.

That wasn't opinion, hot-ham-and-cheese. That was fact. Both
statements can be easily proven.

To CHANGE MY MIND, I'd had to have made the statement that
hot-ham-and-cheese attributed to me. His big dilemma is that I didn't
make such a statement. Oh deary me. What will he do now?

I don't believe you...

I'm supposed to react in what way?

...so I'm sticking by MY statement even if you can't
stick by yours.

I never made such a statement.

Oh! But NOT in amateur radio newsgroups! No, NEVER, according
to Miccolis! Once one says something, regardless of how long
ago, to Miccolis that is a LIFE GOAL Never To Be Changed!

You've been caught with your brogans in your yap on a number of
occasions, "Anderson". A smarter being probably wouldn't bring further
attention to himself by braying about it.

So how's your run for the Roanoke Division Directorship going?

I've never announced a run for anything.

Len is a guy who holds an Extra license. What class of license do you
hold? ...does Jim hold?

Oh, Len holds a license of the same class.

Indeed. Yet the FCC has no requirement for experience. Len has
gained radio experience via a lifetime of operating in other
services. Weren't you the one who said that amateur experience
allowed you to bypass military comms school?

Brian, it only works ONE WAY, Heil's Way.
Sort of like "Heil's Way or the highway." :-)

The Air Force technical schools award one the "3" skill level, an
apprentice level. The Bypassed Specialist is also awarded that same
apprentice level. Further on-the-job training along with bookwork are
the way to the journeyman or "5" level. I completed the same OJT and
study course as every other "5" level candidate. It wasn't my way or
the highway, but the Air Force way.

Thank goodness it wasn't the amateur way...

It wasn't the Tech School way either.

When someone proves that amateur radios
work with "different" laws of physics than all other radios,
I might consider myself as a "beginner." Until then, the REAL
difference between amateur radio and the rest of radio is just
some man-made adminstrative details...and from the ham bigots
busy with self-righteous, I-am-so-important-because-I-know-code
sneering and insulting of new licensees.

That attitude won't help you in gaining experience in amateur radio.
Amateur radio is not solely concerned with the physics of radio. The
fact is that you are a beginner in amateur radio. You have much to
learn. You aren't an instant expert, Len.

Nor are you an expert, even after 40+ years.

Then again, I haven't claimed to be an expert. I'm still learning new
things.

Really, what were you doing working out of band Frenchmen on 6 meters?

I was really operating right where I was permitted to be. Have you
assisted in bringing those French scofflaws to justice yet?

Dave K8MN