"Gene Fuller" wrote in message
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Jimmie D wrote:
"Gene Fuller" wrote in message
Mike Kaliski wrote:

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One way of imagining a way in which this could happen is if a block of
material is energised to a high energy state. Photons are continually
fired
into the material and are absorbed one by one with atoms within the
structure absorbing each new photon. At some point, the material
becomes
completely saturated and cannot absorb any more photons. When the next
photon hits and is absorbed, a shockwave propogates through the
material
and
a photon is emitted from the opposite side travelling at the same
speed
and
in the same direction as the original absorbed photon. Stability is
restored
and energy is conserved.

But, it is the shockwave that has propogated faster than the speed of
light
and it is not the original photon that entered the material that is
emitted.
The emitted photon will contain exactly the same properties as the
absorbed
photon and the two would be indistinguishable. So the photon appears
to
have
been transmitted through the material at faster than light speed, but
no
laws have been broken.

A Newtons cradle can help with visualising how this can happen.

Mike G0ULI

Mike,

You had me fooled. It appeared that you might actually know something.
But
that response bent the needle on my bull**** meter.

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Actually that response is very credable, It is analogous to what happens
when electrons travel in a wire. Put an electron in one end of a wire
and
one pops out the other end almost instantaneously even though the actual
speed of electrons flowing ththrough the wire is very, very slow.

Jimmie


Jimmie,

No particular argument about electrons in a wire. However, the stuff
proposed by Mike bears little resemblance to the wire.

How about:

Atoms absorbing photons one by one, i.e. one per atom in a solid?
Doesn't match anything I have ever learned.

Material becomes saturated with photons? What is this, a bag of marbles?

Shockwave propagates faster than speed of light? (Yes, I am familiar
with Cerenkov radiation. Not interesting in this context.)

Emitted photons contains exactly the same properties as the absorbed
photon? How do they get absorbed yet remember everything? How do they
know when and where they should pop out the other side?

Every part of that proposed explanation was nonsense.

73,
Gene
W4SZ



Gene

Fair comment.

What I was proposing was a way of imagining how such a process could happen.
Such a simplistic explanation is almost certainly completely false. I was
trying to illustrate how superluminal phenomena could exist within our
current laws of physics but using as yet unrecognised means of propagation.
It might have been equally valid to state that certain photons upon hitting
an impervious barrier, drop out of our universe, traverse some unknown
dimension, and pop back into existence on the other side of the barrier.
That might have been a little more difficult for people to reconcile with
processes they already know and understand.

It is a notoriously difficult problem to detect and measure fast moving
phenomena with little or no mass. The experiments to capture and identify
the different types of neutrinos are a prime example.

I suspect that neither you, me or anybody else currently has a completely
credible explanation for the observed superluminal phenomena.

Regards

Mike G0ULI