On 23 Sep, 18:22, John Smith wrote:
art wrote:

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Art Unwin..KB9MZ..... ex UK

Art:

Although I may, or may not, agree or share your exact visions,
questions, assumptions, etc., only fools move to stop discussion,
debate, experimentation and new ideas. I think it is quite
apparent--for every one success a man will ask a thousand questions--try
a thousand things. The easy stuff has all been done--the more difficult
lays before us. Those before us never thought they left a completed
work but only wished for others to follow behind them and further their
thought, experiments and discovery.

Hang in their, almost every concept we now accept (until better presents
itself) was scoffed at and belittled, men have been imprisoned, and
worse for even challenging accepted principals and thinking ...

Hang in their, asking questions has never hurt. Just choose those more
capable to interact with. Interacting with self-important morons never
bears fruit ... and you know about news groups.

Regards,
JS

Fully understood. Odd thing is that 73 magazine used to make a good
living by printing details of various antenna
building and I admit I built a few of them.Ihave described the
modifications needed for the new university antenna and for some
reason see no reason to build it because it is a dud. I know you built
the university antenna to check it out for yourself but I don't know
of anybody who did the same thing to verify the claim. So it goes for
the simple modification I supplied which if I am wrong gives loads of
ammunition to every body to shoot me down once and for all with
factual details but they seam scared to search for the truth. In the
absence of knoweledge usually resort to insults and name calling and I
see you got such a burst today. Remember that time when a guy appeared
with his new NEC 4 program and wanted to model a simple arrray I
supplied? Nobody would help him in checking things out and it took a
personal E mail from somebody who did not want to be identified to
help him with the proper useage of the program. It proved the veracity
of what I had supplied dispite the lachof assistance to prove me
wrong.
As yet nobody with knoweledge of the state of the art has taken me on
with respectto what I have discovered. I have had posts given where I
believe the central theme was poetry, others who said they couldn't
understand despite posts given by a Doctrate holder, ofcourse there
are many like the blasting that you just got which should invite back
the multi posters that decimated several newsgroups. What I am doing
is sharing my work so all can enjoy but if hams are satisfied with
lesser antennas because of the poor conditions so be it. But to try
and stop thespreading of a particular advance to protect their so
called resumes as being experts is really hard to fathom. I thought it
would be a delight to all if somebody refuted the mathematics given
but only silence reigned and then joined by name calling. Look at
todays posting, how many were devoid of insults and name calling, I
think that they finished up in the majority so what does that say
antenna talk by hams?
I am beginning to wonder with the spectrum being in such demand if the
FCC would be justified in selling the amateur frequencies since it is
certainly not the same when the frequencies were given, a listen to
repeaters or a review of newsgroups going ons must fraustrate them
very much. After the upcomming sale of frequencies which is in demand
by industry I can easily see pressure on ham frequencies which is
costing not contributing to the coffers. The idea that we are a public
necessity was down graded years ago by industries inovative ideas so
hams have a hard time now justifying their position. In the past it
was often said that it was amatures that advanced the cusp of the
science well we sure are not doing that now!
O well let the discussion move away from mathematical analysis of
antennas or new designs and get back to argueing and calling people
names e.t.c. so all can participate including those who are true
hobbyist that do not wish to concern themselves with the engineering
background but who also want to participate in the augument side that
most hams relish.
Have a happy day and goodnight
Art Unwin KB9MZ...ex UK