David Eduardo wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
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The loss of love of Broadcasting by DXers is something that is, itself,
a very late development. Most DXers didn't lose the love of broadcasting,
until they were openly discounted, disrepected, and held in open contempt
by broadcasters.

The broadcasters, particularly engineers, I have spoken with, find that
DXers started becoming less pro-radio as AM quit being a music medium and
lots of stations didniche formats like religion, ethnic, etc., or went talk
with networked content on 600 affiliates.

Something broadcasters, themselves, have been doing for far more than
the handful of years that DXers have been responding with disdain to.

Disagree. I think broadcasters have a greate deal of interest in local
listeners, and spend more than ever to determine their likes and dislikes
and overall preferences.

Broadcasters have been spitting in the face of DXers for at least 30
years that I can recall. Sometimes, one on one. Sometimes, as Mark Byford
did at BBCWS, in mass media presentations, and in direct messages on his
own radio stations.

I know lots of broadcasters who caution talk hosts or programmers to ignore
out of market listening of any kind, since the business model has moved away
from taking such listeners into account as driven by advertisers.

Imagine the gall of a shortwave broadcaster telling his listeners, en
masse, that his programming was intended for 'decision makers and opinion
formers' and would be made preferentially available to them, while
eliminating service to hundreds of millions of listeners at a stroke,
because they simply weren't elite enough.

And there are new SW broadcasters every week? SW is a good indication that
the audience has moved on to better technologies.

We're not talking about local radio, here. We're talking about a
shortwave broadcaster. DX by design. With more than 120 million listeners
worldwide. Told in no uncertain terms that they were of no importance, and
not worth being served.

And ever-declining. I looked at radio ratings in Ecuador in the late 60's
when there were many, many SW stations. Never saw one, local or national or
international even mentioned. The motive for SW, getting remote listeners,
is better served (except in controlled nations) by the web and other options
such as local broadcast of national or even foreign shows.

You think that may have something to do with loss of passion for
broadcasting? It sure turned my radio dial in a hurry.

No, in the SW case, it is a loss of listener need for SW and its
comparitively lower quality.

I've worked at radio stations where the engineers were not permitted to
respond to listener reception reports because, and this is a quote by the
GM, "They're not worth the postage." This was in 1977.

That sounds reasonable. More than the postage, it is the wasted time. As
more and more stations became competitive in each market, doing useless
things was closely monitored. 1977 was the year that nationally FM surpassed
half of all listening.

He's by far not exclusive in my work experience.

Something you've demonstrated for some months here, yourself.

Actually, in LA our DoE is a ham. The company let him put a 10 meter relay
on our roof, in fact. And we answer valid reports. But for every one of
those, we get a bunch that are fabrications... based on streaming listening
or "I heard your station plesase QSL" and no RP.

You think that may have something to do with DXer disdain?

Self inflicted, I think.

DXers have been enthusiasts for broadcasting until only a few years ago.
They've stood by those who echo your sentiments for more than 20 years
while being openly and personally dissed by Broadcasting.

Again, for a reason. Read AM (DX News, etc) publications and see the
constant ragging about synidcated overnight shows, etc.

How dare you display the temerity to imply that the problem is with
DXers. Look within your own ranks. Why the hell would ANYONE remain loyal
to an industry which speaks of them the way Broadcasting speaks of
Dx...the way YOU speak of DX.

As a DXer, I am dismayed by the attitudes... when you have DXers in their
public message boards calling companies "Cheap Channel" and "Idiotvision" it
does not take much to write the whole community off.

Fans don't leave without cause, David. Enthusiasm doesn't die. It's
murdered.

DXers are not fans, today. And what used to be viewed as amusing is now
viewed as annoying.

The first slap in the face came from broadcaster themselves. Look in
your own house before you dare point a finger at your listeners.

With more stations came tighter budgeting... and a lot of engineers with
multiple stations to deal with... and these engineers are of a generation
that does not know what DX is, and don't care.

And Broadcasting has been holding that smoking gun for decades. YOU have
pulled the trigger here, more times than I can count...in this thread
alone.

How dare you.

You arrogant son of a bitch.

We have been collectively pushed to the point of dismay by DXers...
particularly the amount of totally fake reception reports that come in.

I've met DX'ers, and Eduardo, you're no DX'er.

You're not Hispanic either.