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Old December 23rd 07, 02:13 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Mike Kaliski Mike Kaliski is offline
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Default The pursuit of the all band antenna


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:52:30 -0500, "AI4QJ" wrote:

Another solution to GUT from a supposed "Nobel Prize nominee": Gij, j=0
See

Uniting Waves: Intro to Grand Unified Theorem GAGUT


Hi Dan,

I see you can field questions on gravity where Arthur faltered.
Perhaps you can respond to:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:03:23 -0800 (PST), art
wrote:

For those that feel that mechanical laws of Newton cannot be used with
respech to electrical subjects( ala Roy) here is a chance for you to
prove your point.


Hi Arthur,

Newton's law:
F = M · A
these FMA terms a
F is force in Newton;
M is mass in kilogram;
A is acceleration in meter / second / second.

We can compute the force on a 10 meter long, 10 kilogram antenna
accelerated by earth's gravity field:
F = 10 kilogram · 9.8 · meter / second / second
or (reduced):
98 kilogram · meter / second / second

When we add 100 Watts of power (for however long), it is clear that
Mass doesn't change. Or perhaps you can tell us how much.

When we add 100 Watts of power (for however long), it is clear that
Acceleration due to gravity doesn't change. Or perhaps you can tell
us how much.

There are only two variables to find Force in Newton's laws. How much
does 100 Watts change Mass or Gravity? I really don't expect you can
answer that because it is too simple: one or both numbers provided
above will be different, that is all. Can you give us something as
specific as I have? In other words, for 100 Watts applied to a 10
meter long, 10 kilogram antenna, will its Mass change to
11 kilogram
or
9 kilogram?
Or will gravity change to
9 · meter / second / second
or
8 · meter / second / second?

Only one or two very specific numbers have to shift here. Can you
tell us which or how much? This is, after all, your topic, your math,
your profession, and your chance to prove your point.


It seemed to be a very simple question at the time. There are only
two variables and if Arthur is right about Newton, then one of them
must change when we add power. In fact, if Arthur is right about
gravity, it can be the only variable that changes - the question then
becomes: How much? Given gravity is one of the weakest forces in the
Universe, then adding 100W to it should peg the meter. One has to
wonder how that went unnoticed in 120 years of transmission -
especially with some of those Megawatt LW stations.

If you can't help him, then you can join us in a very long line that
Arthur has just stepped into, deep at the back somewhere outside the
fire door, down the alley, around the block a couple times, and
disappearing into a side street in Keokuk, Iowa (you two might run
into Mitt Romney there).

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


Richard

While gravity is often quoted as exhibiting the weakest force of the four
major forces, that force appears to exhibit effects at far longer ranges
than the other three. Certain physical theorists have hypothesised that this
might be because we only see one aspect of gravity in our three/four (take
your pick) dimensional universe. At any substantial physical distance from a
point, gravitational force exerted per unit area is generally the largest
force observed.

Gravity interacts relatively weakly with matter and even less with the other
three forces, so I would expect that any effect would be at the limits of
measurement, even with high transmitter powers. Certain 'fringe
experimental' groups claim to have found evidence of a reduction in
gravitational attraction in the presence of rotating, high powered
electromagnetic fields. This would appear to form the basis of proposed
'practical' flying saucer designs by such groups.

Some conventional scientifically monitored experiments have shown apparent
slight reductions in gravitational attraction, but whether the effect is
real, or the measuring instruments were affected in some way by the presence
of extreme electromagnetic fields is a moot point. Most of the proposed
designs seem to require rather elaborate and expensive, large structures to
be built to create the required fields. I think we can all see where this
might be leading...

When the additional 'hidden' dimensions demanded by string theory are
factored in, it is entirely possible (even probable) for such effects to
occur but not necessarily on a humanly observable scale. Gravity may seem to
be the weakest force here on earth, but at cosmic scales it rules supreme.

Mike G0ULI