RadioBanter - View Single Post - Standing-Wave Current vs Traveling-Wave Current WAS rraa Laugh Riot continues

Richard Clark · January 20th 08, 07:51 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:40:43 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

The only person I've ever seen claiming that there is energy
in non-existant waves is you, Cecil.

Hi Jim,

That's not strictly true. I for one have always maintained there is
energy where it cancels, it is also somewhere else when it adds. On
the other hand if it is no where else to add, that seems to put an end
to it. Like a draw match in a tug of war, the rope may not be moving,
but its tension is obvious by the nulled energies.

On it's face, the idea is ludicrous.

Perhaps at the myopic scale of picking a point to the exclusion of
examining all points illuminated (radiated, or otherwise excited) by
two sources.

As for the non-existence of waves, I would read this as the resultant
combination of two waves exhibiting a null at a locality. This then
argues: What is a wave? Sorry to bring up that zombie topic as it
will no doubt lead to Cecilaborations he constructs only for idle
diversion - that is not my fault, and I certainly don't follow his
narcissistic meanderings with as much attachment as you or Keith or
Gene (or Art's fawning, but puzzled adoration). Clearly you cannot
have a wave (3D by its very nature) at a 1D point. The absurd
extension of the argument would then deny a wave exists anywhere
because all singularities examined lack dimension.

Let's simply divorce the second source and look at the dipole. It
clearly is a source of energy, no one is going to deny that I hope
(OK, Cecil will as this post is draining the numbers on his celebrity
status). We can still discuss fields (includes DC then) or waves
(extending to AC/RF). We can combine them, every text does this in
the first chapter. We find a line bisecting the dipole with a null
response. An infinitesimal point residing in the infinite bisecting
plane can't tell the difference between a null and no field/wave
certainly. Is energy non-existent? The tug of war informs us
otherwise. Turn off the dipole, and you win the argument of
non-existent energy - but the rope collapses to the ground, falling
out of its 2D shape. Even for the tug of war, the evidence still
differentiates between the two circumstances.

This non-existence blossoms into:
Even Yagi antennas fail to radiate energy from their null points.
such is the well from which Arthur draws his inspiration.

Antennas radiate equally in all directions from all points. Nulls are
the products of the sums of those radiations at a remote point.

Cecil's MENSES challenges collapse from their own internal faults
easily enough, pursuing his illusions are not required unless this
greek chorus enjoys polluting the well to sustain the comedy.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC