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Old January 30th 08, 12:55 AM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Mike Monett Mike Monett is offline
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Default Where's the energy? (long)

Roy Lewallen wrote:

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And you're right. I apologize. "Orthogonal" usually refers to
spatial orientation, so when you said that he said they're
orthogonal, my reaction was that it's correct. But I didn't look
at the web page. I see by looking at it that he also says the two
are in time quadrature, which of course is incorrect as you say.


His "fundamental laws of physics" are certainly different from
everyone else's. Thanks for providing a good example of the
pitfalls of relying on the web for information.


Again my apology. You do indeed have it right. Incidentally, it's
not possible for a medium to have a purely reactive (imaginary) Z0
at any non-zero frequency.


Roy Lewallen, W7EL


Thanks very much, Roy. It was probably my mistake, using the word
"Orthogonal" when quadrature would probably have worked better.

Can you explain your last sentence? Why does this happen?

I have been following these threads with some interest, and I very
much appreciate your analysis, as it adds greatly to my
understanding. Thank you very much for taking the time to write so
clearly.

There is one point I still have trouble with. The concept of power
flowing in standing waves where the superposition goes to zero, and
yet the energy flow is unaffected and continues in opposite
directions on either side of the null point.

Anyway, I have googled until my fingers get sore, and I haven't
found a good explanation of why this happens. Everyone says it is
well understood from basic undergraduate theory, but the only
references I can find are from graduate studies in Quantum
Electrodynamics. This is not much help.

So I have to form some image in my mind of why these waves do not
interact. Here is a partial pictu

1. Electromagnetic waves travel at the speed of light in whatever
medium they are in. For them to interact, there must be some advance
information they are about to collide. But that would require
transferring information faster than the speed of light, which is
forbidden.

2. The fields in electromagnetic waves are at right angles to the
direction of propagation. There is no longitudinal component, and
therefore the waves have no advance warning they are about to
collide. There is no vector component that is common to both that
would allow any interaction, so there is no way this can happen.

3. Photons carry no charge. They are not deflected by electrostatic
or electromagnetic fields, and do not interact with other photons.
Electromagnetic waves are made up of photons. Since photons do not
interact, EM waves also do not interact with each other.

The above concepts seem to make sense, and allow me to get some
sleep at night. Can you tell me if they are valid, and if there are
other ways of explaining this phenomenon?

Regards,

Mike Monett