On May 11, 4:17*am, RHF wrote:
On May 10, 11:52*pm, junius wrote:



On May 10, 9:51*pm, RHF wrote:

Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.

- 1993 * *Bill Clinton * *1,213
- 1994 * *Bill Clinton * *1,075
- 1995 * *Bill Clinton * *1,040
- 1996 * *Bill Clinton * *974
- 1997 * *Bill Clinton * *817
- 1998 * *Bill Clinton * *827
- 1999 * *Bill Clinton * *796
- 2000 * *Bill Clinton * *758
Total*: 7,500

Well, RHF, I see that you didn’t bother checking out the CRS report
that was mentioned in David’s post. *Moreover, it seems that you
didn’t follow the news too well during the 1990’s, if you’re of the
erroneous impression that the US suffered such a high death toll in
Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. *Was your shortwave on the blink during
the 1990’s? *Or were you just tuning to WWCR for reports of black
helicopters during those heady post-Cold War days?

The CRS report, referenced in David’s earlier post, can be accessed at
the link below:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

year * * * * * *total mil* * * * * * * * *total deaths
1980 * * * * * 2,159,630 * * * * * * * * * * 2,392
1981 * * * * * 2,206,751 * * * * * * * * * * 2,380
1982 * * * * * 2,251,067 * * * * * * * * * * 2,319
1983 * * * * * 2,273,364 * * * * * * * * * * 2,465
1984 * * * * * 2,297,922 * * * * * * * * * * 1,999
1985 * * * * * 2,323,185 * * * * * * * * * * 2,252
1986 * * * * * 2,359,855 * * * * * * * * * * 1,984
1987 * * * * * 2,352,697 * * * * * * * * * * 1,983
1988 * * * * * 2,309,495 * * * * * * * * * * 1,819
1989 * * * * * 2,303,384 * * * * * * * * * * 1,636
1990 * * * * * 2,258,324 * * * * * * * * * * 1,507
1991 * * * * * 2,198,189 * * * * * * * * * *1,787
1992 * * * * * 1,953,337 * * * * * * * * * *1,293
1993 * * * * * 1,849,537 * * * * * * * * * *1,213
1994 * * * * * 1,746,482 * * * * * * * * * *1,075
1995 * * * * * 1,661,928 * * * * * * * * * *1,040
1996 * * * * * 1,613,310 * * * * * * * * * *974
1997 * * * * * 1,578,382 * * * * * * * * * *817
1998 * * * * * 1,538,570 * * * * * * * * * *827
1999 * * * * * 1,525,942 * * * * * * * * * *796
2000 * * * * * 1,530,430 * * * * * * * * * *758

- 2001 * * * * * 1,552,196 * * * * * * * * * *891
- 2002 * * * * * 1,627,142 * * * * * * * * * *999
- 2003 * * * * * 1,732,632 * * * * * * * * * *1,228
- 2004 * * * * * 1,711,916 * * * * * * * * * *1,874
- 2005 * * * * * 1,664,014 * * * * * * * * * *1,942
- 2006 * * * * * 1,664,014 * * * * * * * * * *1,858

* Total military full-time equivalent

Of these deaths, you will find that those resulting from “accidents”
were the most numerous in the years from 1980 through 2003.
Categories not included below: *“homicide”, “illness”, “pending”,
“self-inflicted”, & “undetermined”. *Again, take a look at the report
for more details.

- year * * * * accident *hostile action * * *terrorism



1980 * * * * * 1,556 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 1
1981 * * * * * 1,524 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1982 * * * * * 1,495 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1983 * * * * * 1,413 * * * * * *18 * * * * * * * * *263
1984 * * * * * 1,293 * * * * * *1 * * * * * * * * * * 6
1985 * * * * * 1,476 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 5
1986 * * * * * 1,199 * * * * * *2 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1987 * * * * * 1,172 * * * * * *37 * * * * * * * * * *2
1988 * * * * * 1,080 * * * * * *0 * * * * * * * * * * 17
1989 * * * * * 1,000 * * * * * *23 * * * * * * * * * *0
1990 * * * * * 880 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 1
1991 * * * * * 931 * * * * * * *147 * * * * * * * * * 0
1992 * * * * * 676 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 1
1993 * * * * * 632 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 29
1994 * * * * * 544 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1995 * * * * * 538 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 7
1996 * * * * * 527 * * * * * * * 1 * * * * * * * * * * 19
1997 * * * * * 433 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 0
1998 * * * * * 445 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * * 3
1999 * * * * * 436 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * *0
2000 * * * * * 398 * * * * * * * 0 * * * * * * * * * *17

- 2001 * * * * * 437 * * * * * * * 3 * * * * * * * * * *55
- 2002 * * * * * 547 * * * * * * * 18 * * * * * * * * * 0
- 2003 * * * * * 440 * * * * * * * 344 * * * * * * * * 0
- 2004 * * * * * 604 * * * * * * * 739 * * * * * * * * 0
- 2005 * * * * * 632 * * * * * * * 739 * * * * * * * * 0
- 2006 * * * * * 465 * * * * * * * 753 * * * * * * * * 0



By the way, total US active duty military deaths in Somalia were 43
(29 hostile, 14 non-hostile). US casualties were fewer in the Balkan
conflicts. *For a refresher on Bosnia, let’s travel back in time a
bit:http://www.carnegieendowment.org/pub...fa=view&id=265

- Anyway, you should more or less get the point.

Junius,

Yeah the Point Being that when it isconvenient to call
the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.


About the accidental death rate, you might find this interesting:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311644,00.html

More active members of the military died during two years of peacetime
in the early 1980s than died during a two-year period of war in Iraq
and Afghanistan, according to a government report.

The Congressional Research Service, which compiled war casualty
statistics from the Revolutionary War to present day conflicts,
reported that 4,699 members of the U.S. military died in 1981 and '82
— a period when the U.S. had only limited troop deployments to
conflicts in the Mideast. That number of deaths is nearly 900 more
than the 3,800 deaths during 2005 and '06, when the U.S. was fully
committed to large-scale military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The CRS, which is the public policy research arm of Congress, issued
its findings in the June report "American War and Military Operations
Casualties: Lists and Statistics."

FOXNews.com, in re-examining the findings, found that — surprising as
it may be — there were more active duty deaths in some years of
peacetime than there were in some years of wartime.

Military analysts say the current decrease in military casualties,
even during a time of war, is due to a campaign by the Armed Forces to
reduce accidents and improve medical care on the battlefield.

"It's safer to be in the military because your accidental death rate
has gone down; it's safer to be in the military because if you get
wounded, you'll probably survive," said John Pike, director of
GlobalSecurity.org.

"Getting killed on the battlefield is one way that people in the
military wind up dying, but it's not the main way."

According to the raw figures, of the 2,380 members of the military who
died during active duty in 1981, 1,524 were killed in accidents, 145
by homicide, 457 by illness and 241 from self-inflicted wounds. That
compares with the 1,942 killed in 2005; of that number, 632 died from
accidents, 739 from hostile action, 49 from homicide, 281 from
illness, 150 from self-inflicted wounds and 72 whose causes of death
were still pending. Eleven deaths in ’81 and 19 deaths in ’05 were
classified as “undetermined.”

"Let's not somehow pretend or try to convey the false impression that
being at war is being safer than being at peace, of course not," said
Michael O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute.

"If we stopped these wars we would cut back our annual military
fatalities by close to a thousand people, and that's just simple
arithmetic."

The numbers, which outline active-duty deaths from 1980 to 2006, show
a steady decline in accidents. Experts attribute that decline to
campaigns to curb off-duty partying and drunk driving, as well as
offering better training before putting troops in hazardous
situations. There also are fewer active military members today; the
total number of active servicemen and women decreased from a 1986 high
of 2.18 million troops to the 2006 level of 1.38 million.

Doug Johnson, a professor of national security affairs at the U.S.
Army War College in Carlisle, Pa., said that initial treatment and
airlifts during the so-called "golden hour" after a soldier is wounded
have significantly increased troop survival rates.

"You don't hear the classic war movie cry for 'Medics, medics,'
because everybody's a medic to a certain extent," he said.

The death-to-wounded ratio has also improved, the study found. Nearly
8 people are wounded for every one who dies in Operation Iraqi Freedom
versus the 1 death to 1.7 wound ratio found during World War II.

And the combined totals for illness, homicide, accident and suicide
trump troop casualty numbers, Pike said.

"Previously in a war, if you were wounded, you were in big trouble,"
Pike said. "And now if you're wounded, you're probably going to make
it."

But Johnson said it's important to look beyond the raw data.

"The thing that distresses me about it, is it's raw numbers. And while
that's interesting, it doesn't reflect percentages, which might be
more instructive," he said.