On May 14, 4:27*am, RHF wrote:
On May 13, 4:05*pm, junius wrote:





On May 13, 5:07*pm, RHF wrote:

HELLO - Drifter :
Tex Started It :
BarnegaDX Modified It :
Now I am Replying To It :
It Being Off-Topic and Politics
and 60 posts later most of the usual suspects
contributed to it - - - truth be told ~ RHF
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Hello RHF,

Well, as you know, I'm certainly not one of the usual suspects on this
sort of thread. In fact, my track record is pretty consistent in
avoiding participation in these asinine political threads. *However,
when someone posts something as outrageously idiotic as the following,
something should be said:

On May 10, 9:51 pm, RHF wrote:
Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.
- 1993 * *Bill Clinton * *1,213
- 1994 * *Bill Clinton * *1,075
- 1995 * *Bill Clinton * *1,040
- 1996 * *Bill Clinton * *974
- 1997 * *Bill Clinton * *817
- 1998 * *Bill Clinton * *827
- 1999 * *Bill Clinton * *796
- 2000 * *Bill Clinton * *758
Total : 7,500

Your suggestion that we lost 7,500 troops between Bosnia, Kosovo and
Somalia is not only a display of your inability and/or unwillingness
to understand the fatality statistics; but the rubbish posting is of
such a fallacious nature that it is nothing less than an insult to
those serving in the US Armed Forces. We don't suffer those types of
casualties in these types of smaller-scale deployments. You should
know that. Take the time to better understand the US military, what it
does, and how it goes about executing its missions around the world.
To begin with, try understanding these death statistics in terms other
than your unthinking black-and-white Dems-vs-Reps paradigm.

Good luck, my friend.

Junius - Numbers from Your Own Post :
(OT) : Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting
from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.http://groups.google..com/group/rec....83528788fb0428

Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call
the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents"
Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents"
are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once
again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed.


Total fatalities percentage of Total Military Full-Time-Equivalent
Personnel
1980…..2,392 out of 2,159,630 ...0.111%
1981…..2,380 out of 2,206,751 ...0.108%
1982…..2,319 out of 2,251,067 ...0.103%
1983…..2,465 out of 2,273,364 ...0.108%
1984…..1,999 out of 2,297,922 ...0.087%
1985…..2,252 out of 2,323,185 ...0.097%
1986…..1,984 out of 2,359,855 ...0.084%
1987…..1,983 out of 2,352,697 ...0.084%
1988…..1,819 out of 2,309,495 ...0.079%
1989…..1,636 out of 2,303,384 ...0.071%
1990…..1,507 out of 2,258,324 ...0.067%
1991…..1,787 out of 2,198,189 ...0.081%
1992…..1,293 out of 1,953,337 ...0.066%
1993…..1,213 out of 1,849,537 ...0.066%
1994…..1,075 out of 1,746,482 ...0.062%
1995…..1,040 out of 1,661,928 ...0.063%
1996….. 974 out of 1,613,310 ...0.060%
1997….. 817 out of 1,578,382 ...0.052%
1998….. 827 out of 1,538,570 ...0.054%
1999….. 796 out of 1,525,942 ...0.052%
2000….. 758 out of 1,530,430 ...0.050%
2001….. 891 out of 1,552,196 ...0.057%
2002….. 999 out of 1,627,142 ...0.061%
2003…..1,410 out of 1,732,632 ...0.081%
2004…..1,873 out of 1,711,916 ...0.109%
2005…..1,941 out of 1,664,014 ...0.117%
2006…..1,882 out of 1,611,533 ...0.117%
2007…..1,950 out of 1,608,226 ...0.121%

Accidental fatalities as percentage of Total Military Full-Time-
Equivalent Personnel
1980…..1,556 out of 2,159,630 ...0.072%
1981…..1,524 out of 2,206,751 ...0.069%
1982…..1,493 out of 2,251,067 ...0.066%
1983…..1,413 out of 2,273,364 ...0.062%
1984…..1,293 out of 2,297,922 ...0.056%
1985…..1,476 out of 2,323,185 ...0.064%
1986…..1,199 out of 2,359,855 ...0.051%
1987…..1,172 out of 2,352,697 ...0.050%
1988…..1,080 out of 2,309,495 ...0.047%
1989…..1,000 out of 2,303,384 ...0.043%
1990….. 880 out of 2,258,324 ...0.039%
1991….. 931 out of 2,198,189 ...0.042%
1992….. 676 out of 1,953,337 ...0.035%
1993….. 632 out of 1,849,537 ...0.034%
1994….. 544 out of 1,746,482 ...0.031%
1995….. 538 out of 1,661,928 ...0.032%
1996….. 527 out of 1,613,310 ...0.033%
1997….. 433 out of 1,578,382 ...0.027%
1998….. 445 out of 1,538,570 ...0.029%
1999….. 439 out of 1,525,942 ...0.029%
2000….. 397 out of 1,530,430 ...0.026%
2001….. 434 out of 1,552,196 ...0.028%
2002….. 543 out of 1,627,142 ...0.033%
2003….. 576 out of 1,732,632 ...0.033%
2004….. 605 out of 1,711,916 ...0.035%
2005….. 649 out of 1,664,014 ...0.039%
2006….. 559 out of 1,611,533 ...0.035%
2007….. 544 out of 1,608,226 ...0.034%

The rate of accidental deaths during the Clinton presidency continued
the decline that was underway in the Reagan and Bush administrations.
Likely, this decline would have continued into the Bush
administration, although it’s unlikely that we would have seen a rate
of less than 0.025%. Of the deaths categorized as “accident” during
the Bush administration, about (perhaps a percentage point or two less
than) 25% have been in Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom.
Accidental fatalities outside of these 25% are not included in the
official OEF and OIF fatality statistics.

Investment at the individual soldier/marine/airman/sailor level has
seen noteworthy increases (e.g. training, proper equipping), and this
has certainly been one of the factors at play in the steady decrease
in the accidental death rate over the past quarter century. Such
investment makes perfect sense, given “transformation” processes that
have been pursued in the military (e.g. trends toward network-enabled,
readily-deployable forces; in essence, the endeavor to do more with a
lesser number of troops). Given this greater prioritization on the
individual, it is hardly surprising that the US military has invested
more (as referenced in the earlier posted article) on prevention of
accidental deaths resulting from the tendency of 18-year olds to
engage in alcohol-related revelries, etc.

As for the reporting of deaths and how these deaths are categorized,
it’s not just the political leadership but also individuals within the
military itself that would have an interest in and influence on how
deaths are characterized.

The main issue on which I had taken point with you, Roy, was on your
characterization that all military fatalities during the Clinton years
were the result of deployments in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. That’s
erroneous, pure and simple. Indeed, the vast majority of these
fatalities had absolutely nothing to do with any of these three
deployments. In Somalia, the US military suffered 43 fatalities (29 in
circumstances characterized as hostile; 14 in circumstances
characterized as non-hostile); that’s a small number relative to the
overall fatalities during the 1992-1994 period in which we were
deployed in Somalia. Nonetheless, the experience in Somalia rendered
the Clinton administration very hesitant to deploy ground forces in
situations where potential existed for significant casualties.

As for how a die-hard Dem/Clintonite/anti-war proponent or a die-hard
Republican/Bush supporter/war proponent might characterize such
statistics, suffice it to say that senselessness can easily abound in
any of these camps when someone has an agenda to pursue.

Note, adjustments have been made to some of the statistics, in
accordance with the latest fatalities statistics available from the
OSD website. These revisions pertain only to the 2002 to 2007 period.