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Old July 13th 08, 06:10 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Art Unwin Art Unwin is offline
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On Jul 13, 10:57 am, "Frank" wrote:
My program is not Nec based so I am not familiar with that routine.,
I cant model my antenna because of the pre twisted wires. I can
however
model a combination of two helix antennas without interweaving into
one circuit.
where one helix antenna is slightly larger diameter than the other
My program shows instances of gain! So the question becomes is your
model
based on zip cord which is suggested by one and secondly what was the
reason for the combimation of two antennas
to shrivle away into dust or the equivalent of a dummy load. It is
also suggested that antennas such as this
are breaking the laws of nature so does your program show the arrival
of doom ?.
I am making this antenna very frequently and all these things
predicted are just not happening. But then I would never use
zip cord or violate the rules of nature if I was advised which one I
was violating but apparently that is a secret.
So Frank what is the antenna configuration etc that your program
represents so that I can understand the particulars that you have so
genouresly probided so all may share


I have tried two variants of the model: Interleaved, and one slightly
inside the other. I used uninsulated # 14 AWG copper, and designed for 7
MHz.
The copper conductivity used is 5.8001E7 S/m. At resonance the
the input impedance is 3.1 ohms. The radiation resistance computes
to 0.14E-3 ohms. For 100 W input the total radiated power is
2 mW. At 1000 m, normal to the axis of helices, the field strength
is 3.7E-4 V/m (RMS). I have found, for such closed spaced helical models,
that segmentation is critical. My model uses 2200 segments,
and takes 28 seconds to run. The "Average gain test" returns "Good".
The "Average gain test" is a method employed by Nittany Scientific's
NEC based programs to estimate model validity.

The interleaved model version appears to have a slightly better
performance than the "Coaxial" structure. It is essential,
when testing such a higly compact radiator, that a balun
be used to feed the antenna. The "Tak-tenna", for
example, has a very low radiation efficiency. It is
designed for use witout a balun, and the bulk of the radiation
occurs from currents flowing on the outside of the
coaxial shield.

73,

Frank


Thank you for that Frank but something is incorrect sorry to say!
The impedance for a single wavelength of wire was close to a 100 ohms.
When I dampened it by adding wasvelengths to it the impedance
stabalised around 68 ohms.
I do not know what the optimum number of wavelengths should be for the
high band.with respect to gain and impedance
There was a question asked some where with respect to the number of
wavelengths required for optimum
which really I do not know.! What I do know that equilibrium is the
cornerstone so the magnetic field produced
by the radiator must equal that of n times wavelength. The Variometer
either extends the strength of the field
or diminishes it such that it is symptomatic of a wavelength which is
in equilibrium and also resonant. at the particular frequency at hand.
If all is at the above there is never a need for a choke or a balun
since with this radiator you never move away from the resonant point
as with a filter. The on ly imbalance is the coax feed that you are
connecting to a perennial balanced load. I would add that I wind my
antennas with a pretwisted wire whiich basically four coils
Regards
Art
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