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Default The Separation of Church and Statein America Today..

Kurt_Lochner wrote:
David Hartung wrote:
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:04:32 -0600, David Hartung
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I don't pay any attention to the gentlemen in question. I have grave
doubts that what they teach is truly the Word of God.
See, that's the point, Hartung

Millions do----and they send tens of millions in
contributions to the *******s who in turn funnel it
into PACs to inject religious belief into law

Dobson has/had enough control over the GOP platform
committee to have had the power to summon Neut Gingrich
and the entire GOP leadership before him and threaten
them with retaliation unless his "agenda" was included
in legislation pending before government.

When, specifically did this happen?


March 18th, 1998..

US News, May 4, 1998
http://www.usnews.com

A Righteous Indignation

James Dobson--psychologist, radio host, family-values crusader -
- is set to topple the political establishment

BY MICHAEL J. GERSON

On March 18, in the basement of the Capitol, 25 House Republicans
met with psychologist James Dobson for some emotional venting. But
this was not personal therapy; it concerned the fate of their party.
Dobson, long on loyal radio listeners and short on patience, was
threatening, in effect, to bring down the GOP unless it made
conservative social issues, including abortion, a higher legislative
priority. "If I go," he has said, "I will do everything I can to
take as many people with me as possible."

In the audience sat some of Dobson's closest ideological allies.
Rep. Steve Largent of Oklahoma, a former star football player,
was a volunteer speaker for Dobson's organization, Focus on the
Family, from 1990 to 1993. He credits this with "sparking my
interest in public policy." Rep. James Talent of Missouri, years
before, had pulled off the highway and prayed along with Dobson
on the radio to become a Christian. "He is the instrument through
which I committed my life to Christ. It is the single most important
thing that has ever or will ever happen to me."

But for over two hours, until nearly midnight, House conservatives
confronted Dobson about his indiscriminate attacks on the Republican
Party, asking credit for achievements he had ignored. At one point
the wife of a congressman, in tears, explained how Dobson's
broadside had hurt their family, inviting harsh questions from
friends. An emotional Dobson, according to one witness, responded,
"I'm so sorry I hurt you."

Sobered, Dobson canceled planned meetings with the New York Times
and the Washington Post, where he would have laid out his threat
to leave. But in the next two weeks, he sent lengthy, public letters
renewing the threat, which hangs in the air like distant thunder at
the Republican picnic.

This conflict dramatizes a growing gap between grass-roots
conservatism and governing conservatism, between the raised
expectations of activists and the weary realism of legislators.
It reveals a party that may be crumbling, not at its periphery
but at its center, among its most loyal supporters. And it may
be signaling a major shift in the attitudes of Christian
conservatives toward politics."


Dobson went to the Capitol building, Dobson went to the Republicans.
That is a far cry from "summoning" the leaders of the GOP.

Tii bad the divorce never became final.. Your loss, I suppose..

Recently, the religious reich component of the GOP
demographic began to push Sarah Pallin to prominence
and she WILL be backed by that rightwing
faction----which is needed by any republican to win the
nomination.

But the real point is that YOU are ignorant of what
they do.

Actually, your posting indicates that it is you who is ignorant


No, David.. That would not be truthful at all..

Then you come around here and babble your ignorant
beliefs and demand everyone clue you in to make up for
your lack of knowledge.

When did a polite request become a demand?


When did your evasive questions become a 'polite request'?

--And, when did you first rely upon that, instead of honest answers..