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"I've been told the Republican Party has exclusive franchise
on Christianity; it is easier for a camel to pass through
the eye of a needle than a non-Republican to enter the Kingdom
of God."

So you don't agree with the observation that Robertson, Falwell
and Dobson's alleged "churches" are predominantly involved in
politics, particularly the Republican party?

May I once again suggest that yo learn to read? your understanding of
the quote I provided is completely wrong.

If YOU don't understand that Falwell, Dobson, and
Robertson are as influential as they are in GOP
politics, promotes the basic belief that republicans
are the More "moral" party, how in **** can you make
conclusions credibly?

I fully understand the influence of Dobson, Falwell(deceased)
and Robertson. A previous poster made a statement which led me
to believe that the three had claimed that only Republicans
could be Christians.

That's incorrect, and yet another deliberate mis-statement of
what was actually posted, which you also deliberately deleted
from the quote-backs of your message..

What's become of the Republican Party? Kow-towing to religious,
an evangelical figures, seems to violate the entire concept
of separation of church and state..

You keep your religion out my government, and keeping the
government out of your religion will follow along nicely..

--Otherwise, you can expect the usual pogroms of the Dark Ages..

You might be surprised to learn that I am in full agreement,
although for different reasons.

So? Why do you not elaborate on that, instead of avoiding
the matter of the damnable influence of religion on our
national politics?

Oh, that's because the "moral majority" isn't either..

Without fail, every time the Church has gotten in bed with
the government, it has proven to be a spiritual disaster
for the Church.

Not to mention that such a government has failed to keep
the consent of the governed.. Whole nations have risen from
that alone, David..

That's something a real "libertarian" would know from the start..

It would be a different topic of discussion, but the concept of
government with the consent of the governed is a relatively new
one,

I do not agree with that, at all..

In this case "new" is 200 years old..

No where in the New Testament do we see any sign that the church
was politically active.

That era of Mankind's history was also known as the "Dark Ages" too..

Are you referring to the middle ages

Nope. Why do you even ask that?

These tow reasons alone are enough for me to want the church
to have nothing to do with the government.

Yet, you quibble the details of present religious leaders
attempting to hijack our national government. Why is that?

You will notice as our exchange went on, I put Dobson in a
different category from Robertson and Falwell.

You will also notice that I'm not accepting that excuse any longer..

Not my problem.

Nor mine..

Dobson's group, on the other hand, seems to be designed as a political
group who's members happen to be Christians, and who's purpose is to
advance the moral values of the church. Even though I might not always
agree 100% with Dobson, I see his group as essentially a good thing.
Should they cross the line from advancing a moral code based upon the
Scriptures, to advancing the idea that Christianity should become the
national faith, then I will oppose them.

You shouldn't wait that long, David. They've already become the
leaders of what has manifested itself as a theocratic fascism..

--As Frank Zappa pointed out a couple of dozen years ago..

Yet our nation still has a throughly secular government

Not if you can help it, hunh..

--Your 'libertarian' party is but an excuse for right-wing extremism..

You really need to pay attention to what people say.

*LOL!* And not question the basic premises that what 'they'
say is based upon, especially if it's completely wrong..

--Not my problems, David..