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Old April 23rd 09, 10:28 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Owen Duffy Owen Duffy is offline
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Default Coax Collinear Element Materials and Velocity Factor

"Antonio Vernucci" wrote in
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Hi Owen

I would like to put a question regarding a previous discussion.

Not having your e-mail address, I have to catch you on another thread.

I report below what you wrote at that time:

QUOTE
From TLLC, the matched line loss in dB of LMR400 (a foam coax of
similar OD to RG213) is
3.941e-6*f^0.5
+1.031e-11*f
The first term is due to R and the second due to G.

At 144MHz, the percentage of power lost per meter due to R is
(1-10^-(3.941e-6*f^0.5)/10)*100 is 1.08%. If you do similar for G, the
loss is 0.034%, so loss in R is more than 30 times loss in G
UNQUOTE

I put those formulas on a spreadsheet, but I only obtain the 0.034%
figure if I change the second formula into +1.031e-5*f (instead of
+1.031e-11*f)

Any comment?

Thanks and 73

Tony I0JX
Rome-Italy



Ok, firstly, there was a mistake in my formula... it is missing a pair of
parentheses, and should be (1-10^(-(3.941e-6*f^0.5)/10))*100.

That correctly finds 1.08%/m for R loss.

From my spreadsheet check, =(1-10^(-(0.00000000001031*f)/10))*100
correctly calculates 0.034%/m. Note the exponent of f is 1 in the G case.

Apologies for the parenthesis omission. I wrote down what I 'did' on an
RPN calculator rather than copying an expression that evaluated properly.

Does this answer your question?

Owen