"Dave" wrote
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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"Brian Howie" wrote
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In message , Dave
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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It seems that at long distances should appear the phenomenon of
frequency doubling.
See: http://www.rp-photonics.com/frequency_doubling.html

Is such?
S*
not that has been reported anywhere i have seen. this is likely because
that at the low amplitudes of radio waves relative to the energies
needed to create non-linear effects the medium is close enough to linear
that any doubling effect is too small to see.


You can get ionospheric mixing of radio waves. e.g Luxembourg Effect; so
doubling is possible.

I also once heard a mixing effect of the 10MHz Time signal MSF with the
60KHz time signal ,producing two sidebands at 10.060 and 9.030 MHz, but
that could have been an effect at the transmitter site.

Maybe WWV does the same - take a listen; it's not strong enough here.

My knowledge on radio waves starts and ends on the description of the
Hertz experiment. So my questions apply to the half wave dipoles.
In the acoustic analogy the Hertz emitter (dipole with the two big balls
on its ends) works like the two monopoles halve wave apart (of course not
in phase). In a few meters from it the Hertz receiver (ring with the two
small balls) works only if parallel. When the receiver is parallel with
the emitter the spherical wave from the upper ball push the electron to
lower halve of the
receiwer and the small spark jump. The frequency is the same
In other orientations the electron in the ring are also moved but the
voltage is equal and no sparks.

But at long distances on every piece of metal acts the two alternating
electric field from the two monopoles. The frequency must be doubled.
Are now antennas similar to Hertz dipole?
Is the frequency doubled.
S*

no, your concept is incorrect. the dipole is the whole antenna it is not
limited to sources at the ends. even if you do set up a condition with 2
monopoles, like my 160m inverted V array with 2 verticals 1/2 wave apart,
the interference does not change the frequency,

Does not change in medium. But I am talking about the electrons in metal
kicked by impulses from the TWO sources in opposite phase. The electron do
not know which kick them.


it changes the intensity.
As someone else pointed out, this is because EM waves are transverse waves
and the fields add linearly in normal conditions, it takes a non-linear
medium to cause mixing.

In EM a dipole radiate the ONE EM spherical wave. It is a math.
In reality a dipole is like a machine to produce the two monopoles which
radiate the TWO electric spherical waves.
S*