On May 13, 11:37*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 13, 4:50*pm, SeaWoe wrote:





On May 13, 3:15*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:

On May 13, 1:03*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:

"Mike" wrote in message

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- More will have coverage than do now.
- Remember right now, the estimate is that
- 40 million have no coverage at all.
- That's the ultimate denial of treatment.

MN Mike,

No the Un-Covered go to any Hospital Emergency
Room and Get Treatment at the Taxpayers Expense.

Somebody {You and I} Else Pays For The Un-Covered
Because They Do Not Pay Their Fair Share.

One of the Key {Cost Containment} Features of
any National "Universal" Health Care System is
Prevention and Early Treatment in Public Clinics
and Doctor's Offices -versus- Costly Late Treatment
in a Hospital's Emergency Room and Hospitalization.

Health Care Costs are about 15% of the US GDP
and a Universal Flat 15% Payroll, Earnings and
Contract Tax* would be Required to Pay for a any
National "Universal" Health Care System.
THAT'S THE REALITY !

* Note - That is 15% Above and Beyond the Federal
and State Income Taxes you are already Paying.
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Universal Health Care It's As Simple As 1-2-3http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/dde71b44cb7f7488
National 'Universal' Health Care System
{Remember It's Socialism}
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Getting More Doctors and Nurses for a True
"Universal" Health Care Systemhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/956227cb65e0d445
"IF" Health Care Is A Human Right : Then
Health Care Must Be Universal For All :
Therefore Health Care Must Be Socialized
and All Health Care Workers Public Employees.
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universal health care it's as simple as 1-2-3 ~ RHF
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And of these 40 million, how many do you suppose are uninsured
INTENTIONALLY?
You remove the 10 million "non-citizens" and 17 million who chose to go
without it's quite a bit smaller.

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- For a large part of my life I used employer-paid
- health care. That meant that our product / service
- was undercut by one from a nation that had an NHS.

1 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays for the Employer
Provided Health Care that that Cost is Factored into
the Cost of that Employer's Products and Services.

2 - IF the Employer/Employee Pays Taxes for the
Government Provided Health Care that that Cost is
Factored into the Cost of that Employer's Products
and Services.

One and two are about Equal in Increasing the Cost
of Production and the End Cost of the Goods and
Services.

Plus One and Two Make Domestic Goods and
Services Cost More than those Imported Goods
Not Subject to those Domestic Costs.

A National Sales Tax on All Goods and Services
that is Imposed on Both Domestic and Imported
Goods Levels the Playing Field {Equalizes} for
All Goods and Services and does not Penalize
Domestic Goods and Services.

A National Sales Tax System over the Long
Term helps to Increase Domestic Employment
and Reduce Imports over an Employer Wage
Based Income Tax System.

90% of US Citizens and Residents both Legal
and Illegal should be Paying their State and
Federal Taxes via Consumer Sales Taxes :
Instead of Wage Income Taxes. *The 'Other' 10%
should in addition be Paying a Flat Wage Income
Tax Equal to the Sales Tax on Incomes that
are greater than 5 Times the National Income
Average {$50K} -say- $250K.

The Simple Facts is that the USA is no longer
an International Producer -aka- Exporting Nation
The USA is now an International Consumer
-aka- Importing Nation -and- Consumer Nations
Benefit Most from aSales Tax System versus a
Wage Income Tax System.

~ RHF
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I was in the Navy and earner a pensin and medical care TFL.

I lived in GB for years, using their NHS.

Back in the states, I was on TFL for a couple of years before they
shifted me over to whatever SS calls their plan.

Were I running the world, we would all have something like the British
NHS or TFL. (I understand that the French NHS is even better)

NO insurance companies involved means doing away with a whole arm of
financial paperwork and being able to devote the saved cash to
medicines, instead.
The saved space from the bean=counters would mean being able to hold
more beds, too, I guess.

My late wife was a medical secretary, so she would be needed, but the
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I agree with a National Sales Tax or VAT, or whatever term is
selected.
I didn't mind paying it as I knew it was going to help me in one way
or another.
via the pool it entered.