On Sep 1, 3:35*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Sep 1, 2:24*pm, "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote:



JIMMIE wrote:
Nothing wrong with this patent application except that granting it
would give Art rights to every antenna made. An antenna with randomly
placed elements could be defined as almost anything. In other words
the patent application lacks UNIQUENESS.

I disgree. If you place element(s) deliberately, they are not placed
randomly. It may appear random, for example a discone made of wire elements
for both the disk and the cone, but I assure you they were not placed randomly.
Maybe not with much forethought, or any accuracy, but that is still not
random.

Even if I were to toss a wire out of my window and let it fall where it may,
that is not random. There are some random elements of it's placement (where
is Ian Malcom when you need him), but the size, length and type of wire were
chosen by me, the window was chosen by me, and I had some control of the
direction and force.

Seemingly random, arbitrary, etc seem more appropriate than random.

Geoff.

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel *N3OWJ/4X1GM

Lets say you toss a bunch of metal rods up in the air and let them
fall randomly, the odds of them falling in the shape of a yagi is the
same as falling in any other position. While it is extremely unlikely
they will take the pattern of a useful Yagi antenna it is also just as
extremely unlikely *that they will take any other pattern.

In your case there are a number of variables with *that could be
predetermined, however all it takes is one variable chosen by chance
to make it random.

Arthur could help by defining randomness limiting it to positions
within a certain set as is done with gaming equipment. There are also
a few other words he also needs to define as they appear to have a
rather unique usage.

Jimmie

Jim,
The patent examiner is committed to help me so such things do not
happen.
If you do not have an attorney they will step in and render
assistance.,Remember that It is really a question of presentation to
those skilled in the art of which the examiner is one
and not to the World at large. There is a former examiner in this
group so you really should address such questions to him for
verification that you can trust.