On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:30:07 -0800, RHF wrote:

On Nov 15, 2:46Â*am, John Galt wrote:
dave wrote:
John Galt wrote:
dave wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:

Freedom is Libertarian, and it may be gone for ever, Socialism has
never
worked and was extinct before it ever lived.

What? Â*Don't tell the Europeans.

Why not? They're not socialist. They're social democracies.

HUGE difference.

JG

"...modern social democracy has deviated from socialism, and supports
the idea of a mixed economy which incorporates elements of both
socialism and capitalism.[2] Social democrats aim to reform
capitalism democratically through state regulation and the creation
of programs that work to counteract or remove the social injustice
and inefficiencies they see as inherent in capitalism. A product of
this effort has been the modern democratic welfare state. This
approach significantly differs from traditional socialism, which aims
to replace the capitalist system entirely with a new economic system
characterized by either state or direct worker ownership of the means
of production.

In many countries, social democrats continue to exist alongside
democratic socialists, who stand to the left of them on the political
spectrum. The two movements sometimes operate within the same
political party, such as the Brazilian Workers' Party[3] and the
French Socialist Party. In recent years, several social democratic
parties (in particular, the British Labour Party) have embraced more
centrist, Third Way policy positions. This development has generated
considerable controversy..."

- Correct. However, the core difference is that social democrats
recognize
- that government ownership of the means of production is, at its core,
- counterproductive to a prosperous society. (Even though they may very
- well own certain productive processes deemed essential to society,
they
- do so not because they think they can improve their efficiency, but -
because they feel it necessary to prioritize the process differenly than
- the free market would allot.)
-
- Socialists refuse to recognize this. -
- JG

Sort of like a Government Enterprise being Taxed by the very same
Government.

Imagine -if- the IRS had to Pay a Corporate Income Tax on the Income
Taxes that it Collected from the Tax Payers.

Tax Payers = Share Holders in the Government.

Then imagine the IRS Paying a Dividend to the American Tax Payers for
the Taxes that they had Paid from the Taxes that the IRS had Paid on
those very same Taxes.

Hey Socialism can Create Money Through Taxes-On-Taxes with no external
inputs.

what goes around comes around ~ RHF
.

The rightarded refuse to understand that government is simply NOT a
business. Government is not supposed to make a profit and it is not
actually advisable for government to operate without _SMALL_ deficits.

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